Ok, so there's Fanlore for fandom history, and Archive.org, and for fanfiction there's AO3 of course, and we love AO3! And people are scouring over tumblr backing fic up to it every day! And OFC, meta is allowed on AO3 (a PSA if you didn't know that) but it seems people aren't focused on meta as much.
And so - as we've learned from Homestuck, it always helps to have another body around. And Tumblr seems to be a place where blogs die and come back multiple times, just as much as characters in Homestuck.
So - no one seems to be focusing on Bladekindeyewear @ tumblr in any systematic way. A lot of the conversations on his blog have already had their other halves deleted by the vagaries of tumblr. Backing it up to Archive.org could be possible, but Archive.org is not good with tag searching, and it takes scripts, which i don't know. xD
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To Quote (Homestuck):
"It is a dream, and a memory. It is the past, brought back to life by a witch! It's all those things!"
"oh, dreamselves, those fuckers are all kinds of mad expendable"
"I think the true purpose of this game is to see how many qualifiers we can get to precede the word "self" and still understand what we're talking about."
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So Here's The Project:
I've copy-paste backed up wikis before, so let's start!
This project is to create a Mirror for Bladekindeyewear's tumblr posts. But not perfectly, at least not at first, Dreamwidth and Wordpress are great at handling tagged posts, but they're not great at everything, so we're going for grabbing what we can first.
First i'll be the only ones doing this - IDK if i'll get more interest,but more interest is welcome! That said....
The big positive of this is that it's supposed to be a SYSTEMATIC copying of The Bladekindeyewear tumblr, so not everybody is going to be posting here totally freely. It's moderated - but that's mosttly so you'll have to have a little check in before being let loose on it. As will get explained below - timing is an important part of this, so i think we'll be letting people "claim" a specific month or week to copy over and tell everyone else to stop editing until they're done. To keep things, as the cool kids say, "Linear". But I am open for suggestions. Seriously.
And hey, i at one point copy pasted over 200 pages from an old wiki, Bladekindeyewear has almost 300 pages of homestuck posts, with 9 posts on each page, so a bit over 2500 posts, but we'll see. It's more - but it's 13 or 14 times more which IS and ISN'T much. So we'll see what ends up done, or not, ig!
And this might just end up being various current "me's" as i work on this by myself, so this may all be over planning things.
The Goals:
So a big thing is we want to be clear and ordered with this - we're not going to try to backdate things at all, or not yet - but the point of this is we will try to be very clear about re-posting the ALL the old posts on bkew's tumblr blog IN THE HOMESTUCK TAG - IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.
As we all know (from Homestuck) when you're making a new universe, there's some things you need to keep track of.
Timeline Management: As i/we mentioned before, we're trying to get all the posts in chronological order. And it would be, not required, but a plus if the original date could end up somewhere in the post.
Light: You need to be able to find things! Knowledge! Information! Library science! Light as we all know = information. And we want things to be findable, we want the info to be able to be, for exampleee, scryed by a crystal ball. So make sure to copy over and add all the tags!
Travel and Movement: Links! We want to be able to not only search, but go from page to page, to go where the breeze takes us on the internet! So make sure that all the original links are in, if not going to the correct page on this dreamwith, which probably no one's gonna do right away anyway, then at least to the original place it went to on Bladekindeyewer's blog. If we get them it could also make it easier to figure out which dreamwidth page to point them to later.
The Big Picture: Space! How the universe is laid out so prettily! At the minimum, i'm aiming for all the font and formatting to be copied over correctly, if it's leet, it's leet. If it's bold on tumblr it's bold here. If it's italic, it's italic! Getting pictures, vids etc. linked in is good too, even better, embedded. But that's fancy stuff and most people don't have time for that and that's fine! Text is the first goal, dreamwith has some problems with files, but text is easy!
So
Order and Time
Tags
Links
Font and Formatting!
And feel free to comment or contact me with an ask on tumblr - i'm at Landofspaceandrainbows at tumblr!
With as little fanfare, he seized the opportunity to follow the Thief’s trail quickly before it dissipated, and destroyed their hideout in the veil.
What is Vriska on a treasure hunt to find, exactly, out in the Furthest Ring? There have been some guesses.
But more importantly, and as the largest hint of all, you have to look at the side implications. In a turn of phrase, you need to “turn the chessboard around”, and examine the motives of those who made this all take place.
The first thing you have to know is that Doc Scratch intentionally arranged Vriska’s death!
In [S] Cascade, we see Gamzee on his chat client, speaking with Doc Scratch. Gamzee tells Doc that he’s just finished doing everything Doc told him to do… shortly after Vriska was killed. This means that Doc intended it all along: He had Gamzee invite destruction through Rage in Terezi, narrowing her outlook on the possibilities available to forestall Vriska’s fight with Jack, until it was too late for her options to be anything more than killing her or allowing everyone else to die.
AG: I thought you said you would 8e 8rief???????? I’ll say one last thing. Though the magnitude of the ensuing destruction resulting directly from your actions will be neither possible or necessary for you to fathom, there nevertheless ought to be a silver lining. The only question is whether you will live long enough to see it. I’m not a gambling man. But if I was, I wouldn’t bet on it. Goodbye.
Vriska was not responsible for Jack Noir, no matter how much she intended to be: a First Guardian of some variety would have been created in the kids’ session regardless, and even if John had succeeded in prototyping the blue lady doll, Bec still intended to jump in.
In other words, the unfathomable destruction she’s meant to bring about has yet to come.
So… Doc Scratch arranged Vriska’s death intentionally, expecting specific and further action out of her. And Vriska is currently using Lord English’s helpful reality-cracks - assistance she only thinks a coincidence - to pave a path straight to an important treasure, just like Jack Noir followed her trail in the doomed example above.
VRISKA: Really, everyone’s pretty lucky I died so I could do all the dirty work on this. Let’s get real, no8ody’s 8etter prepared to take on the treasure hunting duties than I am.
Lord English is USING Vriska to lead him to something important.
But what? A weapon? An important juju, like Calliope promised to send? A ghost? A person? (EDIT: It seems like it might indeed be the jujus of Calliope and Caliborn, the Auryn amulet, which has been united for the very first time in the Alpha Session in Jake English and Jane Crocker’s hands. EDIT2: And it turns out this amulet’s abilities are associated with cheating!)
We don’t know for sure. But as others have pointed out, we at least know where it is.
VRISKA: We’ve explored ancient crypts, networks of 8urial mounds, dusty old tom8s, giant pyramids, you name it. Hints a8out the endgame are hidden all over the place.
X marks the spot!!!
The alpha session is a hideout shrouded in a protective shell of Void, imperceptible and possibly and unlocatable past a certain point without extraordinary measures. Regardless of whether the ‘Ultimate Weapon’ itself is important, whether it’s an item, a ghost, Jake English himself, or what have you… the ultimate consequence is this:
Lord English is intentionally having Vriska lead him STRAIGHT TO THE ALPHA SESSION.
TheFinalWraith: Like Kanaya implied there was a price to pay for losing your dream-self
TheFinalWraith: And Hussie told Caliborn that by killing dream-Calliope he stunted his growth forever
TheFinalWraith: So it’s the same for Kanaya, Terezi, Karkat, and Gamzee
TheFinalWraith: Their dream-selves contained the other half of their soul
TheFinalWraith: And it’s lost forever
TheFinalWraith: Like I think the union of dream and real souls is a necessary step towards Ascension?
TheFinalWraith: And corpse-smooches already facilitates that union?
blastyoboots: ahh, that makes great sense
The callback to what Kanaya said makes this all quite palpable:
TT: I explained this. TT: The intent isn’t true self sacrifice. GA: First Of All Youre Underestimating The Gravity Of A Dream Death GA: Its A Pretty Serious Thing Okay GA: And Dream Selves Are Important To A Person In Ways That Arent Always Obvious
The Mituna theory still might offer a route for them to ascend, but as this indicates, the thematics might argue a different story. I still don’t know if the trolls will ascend, but my personal opinion leans slightly more against it than for it.
But then again, I’m usually a fan of the pessimistic route. Seer of Doom, and all. :)
Breath is the aspect of freedom, quest, direction, delivery, frivolity and detachment. Blood is the other side of its coin, its complement, governing bonds, promises, responsibility, combined will and worldly ties. Where Breath is flight, Blood is shackles.
As the dichotomy concerning the way paths unite or twist away through reality, both of these aspects are incredibly powerful, and important for ultimate victory over Lord English. Below the cut, we’ll go into the evidence and potential for both aspects, and the actual or theoretical heroes thereof.
Starting with a look at John Egbert, the Heir of Breath… the most effective character so far at leveraging his role over existence, even before he ascended!
AG: There’s more to the realization of our roles than gaining flashy powers.
The role of a Hero is his or her ability to have a certain effect on the unfolding of reality. Reality is decided by people, by circumstance, by actions and choices, much more so than by a boy’s ability to send a magic gust of wind up someone’s skirt. In fact, the “flashy powers” are sometimes arguably the least important part of one’s role.
So, what effect has John had on others, in his capacity as an Heir of Breath?
As the passive Change class, John’s role is likely to invite change in Breath, and to invite change through Breath. In effect, he becomes a nexus through which Breath changes, both around him and in others; sometimes by his will, sometimes “as if by the will of the aspect”.
but yeah, i got you this because i think you’re really creative and you could make something nice with it if you put your mind to it. and it might help you take your mind off a lot of all this serious business you’re always absorbed in. you know, all this weirdo pseudo-gothy stuff or whatever. frankly it’s kind of depressing.
He gifted a pair of knitting needles that gave her a hobby, inspired great lengths of reciprocation in her own gift to him, and later defined the very way she fought and addressed the world.
i went to a weird asian store the other day and saw this rad shirt, so i got it and i’m wearing it now! but there was a blue one too which was way more awesome, and i wanted you to have it. i know you like green a lot, but maybe you’d like to try wearing blue sometimes? i bet you’d look like a million bucks! also i know you’ve been frustrated lately about how your pumpkins keep disappearing. well, i can’t begin to explain why that’s happening! all i can do is give you these so you can plant some more. don’t give up, jade! wherever those dumb old pumpkins went off to, i’m sure you know the fun is in growing them and taking care of them until they’re ready!
He suggested trying a different color, and persevering in her quest to grow pumpkins when she was on the verge of surrender… when in actuality, the entire gift arrived in the past, setting Jade on the path not just to grow pumpkins, but to find and connect her friends in the first place!
Huge, nearly character-defining changes in each of his friends, each with a single gift. Three for three.
“You’re upset that you’re stuck under your Bro’s shadow! Why not try some different shades, and find your own path?”
“You keep stewing about in serious issues! Why not have some fun, mix up your hobbies, create instead of stagnate?”
As if to say, “Why not try a change in direction?”
Breath is quest, goals, freedom, direction, frivolity, and detachment from the everyday ties and rigors of the world around oneself. John is the nexus via which Breath changes!
You can see it in the way he tempts conversations to twist and meander, lays breadcrumbs for others to take this way and that, as if he’s twirling yarn in front of a cat:
GT: so you’re a time traveler? GA: No GA: We Dont Actually Travel Through GA: Uh GA: Well GA: Not All Of Us Do GA: One Of Us Does Though GA: Thats Not What We Are Talking About Here And Is Aside From The Point GT: so let me see if i have this straight… GT: you are a time traveling space alien from the future, sent here to study humans? GA: No GT: are you from mars? is it a mission of peace? GA: No John You Werent Listening GT: what does your time machine look like? a phone booth? phone booths are a popular thing for some reason. GA: Damn It GT: were you lured to earth by a huge gyroscopey thing that jodie foster piloted in contact, while matthew mcconaughey sort of acted as her spiritual guide i guess… GA: What The Hell GT: and then he kind of preached to her about having faith instead of believing in the sciences so hard all the time, and i guess in the end she believed him, maybe? GT: actually, im not even sure what the point of mcconaughey was in that movie. but he was still awesome. GT: and then jodie found her dad on an alien planet… but i think he was a ghost or something? or maybe an alien in disguise. GT: and then she went home and nobody believed her, but you just KNOW mcconaughey believed her. GT: because he had all the faith. and i mean ALL OF IT. GT: anyway, does that have any applicability to your cosmic interstellar astrojourney? GA: Okay Youre Even Dumber Than The Rose Human Thats Incredible Really GT: pff, i know i’m dumber than rose, that is not much of a burn, dude!
How he misdirects people this way and that, distracting them from the point for laughs:
TAVROS: iT’S FOR PRIVATE SENTIMENTAL PURPOSES, TAVROS: i DON’T WANT TO SAY, JOHN: that’s cool. guess i will just enjoy this ring forever, as my property. TAVROS: oKAAAAAY, TAVROS: i’LL TELL YOU, TAVROS: yOU’RE AN AWFUL HUMAN, bY THE WAY, JOHN: yeah right, dude. would an awful guy be wearing such a sweet, priceless ring? i don’t think so! TAVROS: oH MY GOD, tHAT’S SUCH BAD LOGIC, tHAT YOU’RE KNOWINGLY USING TO BE A WORSE ENEMY, JOHN: yeah… JOHN: you sure did explain that, i guess.
And how he hardly has to make an effort to get others sending themselves on lengthy quests:
TT: and fred savage was like his child prankster sidekick. GA: Is This An Adversary You Have Encountered On Your Quest TT: no, it’s a movie. TT: you should ask john about it, because he thinks it’s awesome, which it is. GA: It Seems You Put Stock In Johns Assessment Of Things GA: Even Really Uninteresting Things That Are Pretty Terrible To Listen To GA: He Is Either The Leader Of Your Party Or You Hold Whatever The Human Equivalent Of Mating Fondness For Him Is TT: yeah, i got him this really cool bunny for his birthday, and it’s really nicely knitted and everything. TT: because i am basically in love with him, you are right. GA: Uh Okay TT: heh, just kidding. i’m sure john knows it’s cause i am really thoughtful and i bet he really appreciates the present, and would say thank you if he were here! GA: Okay Human Courtship Is Definitely A Strange Thing And Its Sort Of Blowing My Mind Listening To This GA: I Think Ill Talk To Someone Else Now TT: why don’t you talk to john? GA: Maybe GA: When Along His Timeline Would You Recommend Communicating With Him TT: oh man, i don’t know. TT: why don’t you pick the time that will make the most complicated mess out of everything imaginable? TT: you know that’s what you’re gonna do anyway.
EB: did you know nicolas cage was almost going to play superman one time? CG: OH MY THROBBING PHLEGM LOBE, WHO GIVES A BARFING FUCK ABOUT THAT. CG: JOHN EGBERT, YOU HAVE ASSASSINATED MY PATIENCE. CG: ADIOS LOSER. EB: wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EB: get back to me in a couple minutes, ok? CG: SD;LKFJSD;LKFJSDLFKJ; CG: FINE.
Or to completely change the course they thought they had:
CG: YOU’LL GET PLENTY OF DIRT ON ALL THIS FROM ME IN FUTURE CONVERSATIONS. CG: TEDIOUS CONVERSATIONS. CG: ONES I’VE ALREADY HAD WITH YOU. CG: WHERE YOUR DEMEANOR WILL GRADUALLY BECOME INEXPLICABLY AND REVOLTINGLY FRIENDLY TOWARDS US. CG: AND SO I GUESS IT JUST WAS KIND OF INFECTIOUS AND NOW WE’RE ALL BUDDIES I THINK. CG: IT’S REALLY WEIRD. CG: THIS HUMAN EMOTION YOU CALL FRIENDSHIP. EB: friendship isn’t an emotion fucknuts. CG: SEE, THAT IS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT. CG: YOU’RE MUCH MORE TOLERABLE A GUY THAN I THOUGHT AT FIRST, OK JOHN?
You and your rabbit friend approach a gentleman wrapped in a fine white cloth, and his courageous cohort, a young man riding a great gust of wind!
You are so impressed, you forget what you are supposed to be doing.
…The aspect even passively doing this around him as if with a will of its own, distracting another’s sense of direction to keep him safe:
You consult your proud long snout for assistance with the hunt. You pick up the maddening scent of one of the young graveyard stuffers. You are sure it is the same one you slaughtered earlier, and yet his stench remains, confounding you from every direction. It is as if THE BREEZE which carries it deliberately seeks to obfuscate the odor’s origin. Your thoughts become more murderous with each blustery taunt.
I didn’t always understand the appeal of John as a character, ranking him in the middle of my liked characters list. But after a while, I suddenly noticed how enjoyable he was for the things his conversations did to others, making his pesterlogs some of the most enjoyable to read. I wrote the following two years ago, in a character rankings thread, back when we knew jack shit about the import of classes and roles:
I didn’t really see why I should think John was such an amazing character until I realized his consistent effect on the other party. He’s goofy and doesn’t really understand anything, but he understands just enough about his friends and others to make cutting, hilarious, almost unintentional insights that can change people for the better, even if he’s off the mark. It’s not what he says himself, but what he brings about in others that makes him so great to read. I mean, if you wall him off from everyone else… he kind of fails.
That’s why I take issue with the complaint of protagonist syndrome, here. John is very little by himself, but enhances all the characters around him immensely. Imagine if John were doomed to stay the least powerful and/or game-advancing of the kids and trolls combined; notice how little that would do to the story, or his beneficial role in it.
And yet at the same time, this comes with a vulnerability. As one who invites change in direction, John is very susceptible to invitations to change in his direction. Almost unfailingly, anyone who hands him a quest can expect him to rocket off in that direction with wild abandon.
GC: SO JOHN 4CTU4LLY D1D WH4T 1 S41D? TG: yeah TG: im telling you TG: huge pushover TG: he will do what you say TG: unless it happens to be for his own good TG: then all a sudden hes a tough nut to crack go figure GC: NOW 1 F33L K1ND4 B4D
Now, wait a minute. Unless it happens to be for his own good. What does that mean??
EB: you can’t track down through time WHAT YOU CAN’T CATCH! EB: pchoooooo! TG: oh god did you just blast off EB: no… EB: but that would have been sweet if i did just then.
TG: did you blast off like a spazzy douche yet or what EB: yeah, of course! EB: there was no way i wasn’t trying out this sweet ride. TG: god dammit what do i have to do to make you believe me
Think about what Dave’s having a hard time getting John to do. Whenever people tell him to fly off in this direction or that, or give him a goal, he almost always dives straight in.
But Dave is telling him to stop. Not an alternative direction, but to cease his direction. To stay belted down to the ground.
TG: so you believe me then TG: about future me TG: and like TG: him turning into a floating sword bird EB: um… EB: ok, i don’t know anything about that… EB: but it doesn’t matter! EB: you’re my best bro, and if you say not to go then i won’t go.
Wait, wait… as makaristmas pointed out, we should back up a minute on that jetpack. How did John get that jetpack working in the first place?
GC: 1 GOT TH3 COD3S FOR 4LL TH3 OTH3R 34RTH CR4P STUCK 1NS1D3 1T FROM YOUR FR13NDS GC: FROM D1FF3R3NT T1M3S GC: WH3N TH3Y W3R3 F33L1NG COOP3R4T1V3
The items tying John to the ground, keeping him from blasting off in a rocket pack to his death, were objects belonging to his friends! His bonds! Just like the trust in Dave that got John to reconsider once he had.
TG: did you blast off like a spazzy douche yet or what EB: yeah, of course! EB: there was no way i wasn’t trying out this sweet ride. TG: god dammit what do i have to do to make you believe me TG: fist bump my future self til i got bloody knuckles and write you an even sappier bday note in my own blood
What stopped John wasn’t Breath. What stopped him was Blood! And his ability to appreciate Blood alongside Breath is an essential part of the path to becoming a fully realized hero.
As opposed to Tavros, who latched onto an impossible goal in Vriska’s destruction, failed to reconsider, stop, or inform his friends of what he was doing and ask for help, leading to his downfall.
How do we know what Blood entails? Well, let’s look at Karkat.
From the introductions of each troll in Hivebent and onward, Andrew knew what their game roles were, what they meant, and used said roles to shape their personalities.
His blood color, or different blood colors for trolls in general, was an afterthought as far as Andrew was concerned. And we already know what a Knight does, a powerful warrior class that exploits the flow of their aspect as a weapon. So, what themes have coursed through Karkat’s arc from the beginning?
You have a passion for RIDICULOUSLY TERRIBLE ROMANTIC MOVIES AND ROMCOMS.
You’ve got AMBITION. You were meant to be a bigshot. To be in charge of something huge and really important, and to be totally ruthless about it.
Leadership? Romance?
CG: I WONDER WHAT KIND OF SHITTY THING I DID TO DESERVE SUCH AN AWFUL BEST FRIEND.
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CG: FRIENDSHIP ISN’T A DISEASE SHITSPONGE. CG: IT’S LIKE… CG: A MISTAKE. CG: A BIG JOKE OF NATURE.
Friendship?
CG: I AM A HATCHED LEADER AND YOU KNOW IT.
CG: ARE WE NOT FRIENDS ANYMORE BECAUSE OF STUFF I SAID. TA: eheheheh you LIITERALLY a2k me that every tiime are you jokiing.
Friendship and leadership, leadership and friendship. Hmm!
Oh, and another thing:
CG: ACTUALLY WHY DON’T WE MAKE A PACT TO DELETE THIS ONE FROM OUR LOGS, I’M JUST SHUDDERING HERE SCROLLING UP AND READING THIS. TA: yeah ok.
AG: Ok, then I’ll ask Jack. CG: NO, JACK WON’T TELL, I MADE HIM PROMISE HE WOULDN’T TELL.
CG: OK, LOOK. CG: LET’S JUST AGREE TO NEVER BRING IT UP AGAIN. CG: THE STUFF I WAS BABBLING ABOUT EARLIER. EB: yeah, well we never really talked about it in the past, so i guess we do agree to that.
FCG: HOW’S THIS FOR A PACT, EVERYBODY. FCG: PAST KARKAT ONLY TALKS TO PAST JADE FROM NOW ON, AND THE TWO OF THEM CAN BICKER LIKE SHITTY LITTLE CHILDREN FOR HOURS/YEARS RESPECTIVELY. FCG: AND FUTURE KARKAT ONLY TALKS TO FUTURE JADE, AN ARRANGEMENT WHEREIN ONLY INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE TAKES PLACE BETWEEN TWO CIVILIZED, MATURE, GROWN ASSED ADULTS. FCG: IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK??????
CCG: HEY ASSHOLE CCG: CONSIDER OUR “PACT” OVER PCA: wwevve got a pact CCG: NOT ANYMORE CCG: YOU ARE DEAD TO ME
Pacts. Pacts, promises…
And alliances.
See the big picture coming together?
Karkat’s two major accomplishments during the trolls’ session were:
Forming a blood-inspired alliance with Jack Noir to overthrow the Black Queen.
Getting the two teams to work together to advance and defeat the Black King.
CG: NO, I’M YOUR LEADER BECAUSE OF MY INCREDIBLE TACTICAL SKILLS AND MY ABILITY TO MOBILIZE AND MOTIVATE A BUNCH OF USELESS PEOPLE TOWARD A COMMON GOAL, AND BECAUSE I’M EXTREMELY AMBITIOUS AND INTREPID. ALSO BECAUSE LEADERSHIP IS IN MY BLOOD. WE’VE BEEN OVER THIS.
A Knight instinctively exploits their aspect, and Karkat instinctively exploits Blood:Relationships, bonds, promises, pacts…
PCG: GAMZEE ISN’T SUPPOSED TO GO CRAZY. PCG: I THINK IF HE DOES PCG: IT MEANS WE FUCKED SOMETHING UP. PCG: IT MEANS *I* FUCKED SOMETHING UP. PCG: HE’S MY RESPONSIBILITY, I HAVE TO MAKE SURE HE’S SAFE.
And responsibility. The shackles that anchor people to the world around them, and to each other.
That dichotomy between the aspects - spiritual freedom and detachment, versus worldly ties - rings very strong between John and Karkat in particular.
John has a reputation for smoothly handling almost any shocking revelation virtually unscathed:
TT: Anyway, your grandma managed to run away when she was quite young. Maybe it was a traumatic event like dog murder that prompted her to flee, who knows.
TT: Whatever the case, her bro stayed behind. The guy must have been seriously immune to witnessing fucked up shit, because he went on to be a famous comedian. A real kindly old cornball. A nicer guy you couldn’t hope to meet, they say.
Which forms a very heavy contrast to Karkat, who has a reputation for flipping out about everything, no matter how insignificant:
TA: KK dont fliip your 2hiit about thii2 but iim 2ettiing you up two play a game wiith 2ome people. CG: WHY WOULD I FLIP MY SHIT ABOUT THAT. TA: becau2e you fliip your 2hiit about everythiing. CG: WELL WILL YOU LOOK AT THIS. CG: HERE IS MY SHIT, AND YET IT REMAINS UNFLIPPED. CG: JUST SITTING THERE ON THE SKILLET, GETTING BURNED ON ONE SIDE. CG: IT’S A MIRACLE.
CG: YOU’RE GETTING OFF ON THIS AREN’T YOU CT: D —> Uh CG: IF YOU ASK ME FOR A TOWEL I AM GOING TO FLIP MY SHIT RIGHT OFF THIS FUCKING METEOR CG: IT WILL JUST BE ME, SPINNING AND SPINNING AND SPINNING INTO ENDLESS NOTHING, SCREAMING
KARKAT: EVERYBODY OUT OF THE GODDAMN WAY. KARKAT: I GOT A LAB FULL OF HUMANS, A MOUTH FULL OF YELLING, AND A TORTURED PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE FULL OF TOTALLY HYSTERICAL EMOTIONS AND UNAIRED GRIEVANCES AT PRACTICALLY EVERYBODY.
CG: I WAS THE GUY IN YOUR POSITION, TO MAKE ALL THESE CLONES, AND FRANKLY IT ALL KIND OF FREAKED ME THE HELL OUT. EB: huh… EB: yeah, i guess now that you mention it, i am finding it all a little strange… CG: OH, ONLY JUST NOW??? CG: FUCK YOU ARE FAST, I HOPE YOU GOT THE MAD BOONBUCKS TO PAY OFF THOSE SPEEDING TICKETS. EB: no, no, i mean the ghost stuff and paradoxes are one thing of course… EB: it’s something else. EB: it’s just… EB: this is really weird… CG: WHAT’S SO WEIRD ABOUT IT. EB: well, normally humans hatch… EB: from like these slimy pods. EB: then we wriggle out as a little pink larva. CG: OH REALLY. CG: HUH, MAYBE WE HAVE MORE IN COMMON THAN I THOUGHT. EB: (hehehehehehehe)
And it’s not just in a mental and spiritual sense; that dichotomy applies in a physical sense, too! John and Tavros were both the first ones to fly within their sessions.
Whereas, with Karkat:
EB: it was long! and windy. but a lot of fun. EB: i really like flying, it’s so much fun. CG: OH, I BET IT IS JUST THE BIGGEST FUCKING BLAST A GUY CAN HAVE WITHOUT A PAIR OF SHAME GLOBES SECURED IN HIS TWO TREMBLING FISTS. EB: you… haven’t tried it? CG: EVERY DOUCHE GOT TO FLY BUT ME, EVEN THE CRIPPLE.
He hasn’t flown, and not even his God-Tier form had wings!
KARKAT: PPPFFUUUUUUUHHHHHHH……… WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE… ROSE: Hm? SOLLUX: kk, what the fuck? SOLLUX: were you h0lding your breath that wh0le time? KARKAT: YEAH KARKAT: SO? TEREZI: OH GOD, YOU DUMMY TEREZI: YOU DONT 4CTU4LLY H4V3 TO HOLD YOUR BR34TH WH3N YOUR3 B31NG QU13T! KARKAT: OK YEAH KARKAT: I MEAN, OF COURSE IT SOUNDS OBVIOUS WHEN YOU PUT IT LIKE THAT
John was prone to sleeping even when it wasn’t wise, and Tavros spent much of his session sleeping to cope, prancing about detached from the world without any responsibilities. Karkat was so bound to his responsibilities that he barely slept across their 600 hour session!
FAG: Hey, I’m gone. I just think you should relax. FAG: You were wound up so tight through the whole adventure, and now here in the present you’re a8out to explode. It’s insuffera8le! CCG: EVERYBODY, DID YOU HEAR THAT?? SUPERFUTURE VRISKA HAS AN IMPORTANT LIFE LESSON FOR US ALL. CCG: WE DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUR PRESENT RESPONSIBILIES AND OBLIGATIONS! CCG: BECAUSE AS IT TURNS OUT, IN THE FUTURE ALL THAT STUFF ALREADY HAPPENED. WE’RE OFF THE FUCKING HOOK! CCG: TIME TO RELAX. LET’S ALL CRAWL INTO OUR COCOONS AND GET BUSY STIMULATING OUR AUTOEROGENOUS SHAME GLOBES. CCG: FIRST ONE TO START A WANK FIRE GETS A SHINY BOONDOLLAR. CCG: THIS IS AN ORDER FROM YOUR LEADER. FAG: Hahahahahahahaha. CCG banned FAG from responding to memo.
A Blood player is tied to his environment, his friends, the living world around him. Responsibility, duty, and loyalty keeps him on the ground, focused on the practical and unimaginary. Whereas, a Breath player retains a level of detachment, flying above, past, and through the obstacles and demands of emotional reality. And at Breath’s peak:
Not even physical reality can touch them!
To use Blood as a weapon is to shackle yourself with allies, bonding people together and uniting their wills. To invite change in Breath:
Is to use misdirection and escape!
AG: Roll your dice. Make your move. AG: Advance or a8scond! AT: i CAN’T ABSCOND, AT: tHERE’S NO, AT: uHH, aBSCONDING PLACE, AG: 8ut a8sconding is what you do 8est! AG: I 8n’t managed to cloud a scenario yet you couldn’t squawk out of in a 8lazing trail of cluck8east feathers. AG: You cannot hope to 8eat Tavros Nitram in an a8scond-off. AG: He is simply the 8est there is!
It’s quite harmful to a Breath player to feel trapped, to feel boxed in, whether by the shackles of the physical world or those of relationships:
JADE: but youve been so testy, as if youre committed to not having a good time JOHN: well, maybe i’m just getting a little tired of being stuck on this lame boat! JOHN: don’t you think it’s gotten kind of old? JADE: yeah, i can see how you might find it a little slow here JADE: i dunno, i havent minded much… maybe its different for me though because i used to live all alone? JOHN: oh sure, i’m sure it’s GREAT for you. you get to spend your days smooching and breaking up with dave sprite and what not, and you can shrink down to any old planet you feel like, any time. whereas i have to make this whole big deal of ASKING you to shrink or unshrink me, and… JADE: but i dont mind doing that any time!!! JOHN: i know, but you think i want to bug you about that at the drop of a hat? when you’re busy and on dates and stuff? i just happen to have respect for something called PERSONAL BOUNDARIES, jade.
Whereas a Blood player may remain desperately stubborn and obsessed with their bonds, both the ones they have and the ones they’ve ‘lost’:
CG: ARE WE NOT FRIENDS ANYMORE BECAUSE OF STUFF I SAID. TA: eheheheh you LIITERALLY a2k me that every tiime are you jokiing.
To spread his message throughout the world they took to the seas in the vessel of legend known as the First Ship. It was said their love went beyond the four quadrants, transcending the grid entirely. Whatever that nonsense actually means.
In fact, as you saw hints of just above with John: lashing down a Breath player or keeping a Blood player away from their bonds, for extended periods of time, could lead to them inverting their aspect!
After all, in the right context, Blood can be a Breath player’s greatest weakness:
AT: aFTER A CERTAIN MOMENT, i SPENT JUST ABOUT EVERY WAKING HOUR BEING ASLEEP, GG: wow why did you sleep so much???
AT: iT WAS JUST A BETTER WAY TO BE, mORE PEACEFUL AND FUN AND, AT: i GUESS,
AT: tHERE WAS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THAT WAS INCREDIBLY TERRIBLE, AT: aND SAD,
AT: aND MADE ME FEEL TERRIBLE AND SAD AND SLEEPY, sO i SLEPT, a LOT,
One Breath player cooped up on a ship and deprived of romance to sate his hormones, another Breath player lashed at the hip to Vriska Serket and deprived of his free will, you could find that John and Tavros both displayed the propensity to act like a Mage of Blood (active Understanding) and a Thief of Blood (active Stealing), respectively:
JOHN: HE DEMONSTRATED HIS MASTERY OVER HEAVY MACHINERY! wow, he can operate a crane! i am thrilled by the exploits of this pedantic weenie. JOHN: i guess he’s actually like cage’s estranged sidekick? almost like the robin that batman never realized he had. JOHN: now that i think about it, this movie was always an oddly poignant tale of bromance between cage and cusack. just two bros separated by destiny, waiting to be united. JOHN: when they finally come together to kick some ass, it is arguably more moving than when he reunites with his wife and daughter! JOHN: i wonder if i’ll think that scene sucks now too? it used to move me to tears, but now i’ll probably think it’s so lame, i’m almost afraid to watch it. maybe i should try to leave at least SOME memories untainted. JADE: john you are kind of sounding like a crazy person here
TAVROS: i SAW IT FIRST,
TAVROS: (wE had a deAl,) JOHN: (quit it!) TAVROS: (why Are you sUcH a liar,) JOHN: (shut up. i’m keeping it.) TAVROS: (thiS is noT cOOl,) TAVROS: (you’re PrevenTing joYful human sTYled matrimonY frOM happEning,) JOHN: (yeah right. like she would even say yes.) JOHN: (i don’t even think she’s really your girlfriend. i think you made that up!) TAVROS: (wow, no, wOw,) TAVROS: (you wEnt thERE,)
And in turn, Karkat seems to have finally been broken by his estrangement from Terezi, offering to fly off with Meenah away from all his friends on a free, lonely quest to mount a strike against Lord English in the void.
(EDIT: While John’s ghosting of the traits of his inverted role were ephemeral, Tavros may very well be headed to disastrously and fully inverting his role to act like a Thief of Blood… or more specifically, to act like Captain Hook instead of Peter Pan. For more on the importance of this, read my Tavros Nitram in Scarlet theorypost!)
Which should sound vaguely familiar, come to think of it. After all, the dichotomy between Breath and Blood is represented by more than just its respective Heroes.
The Parcel Mistress, bound to Breath, dedicated to delivery, direction, and quest.
And the Warweary Villein, inspired by Blood, who knew that the democratic wills of a thousand pawns united were enough to topple a King.
The cruel massacre of an army of allies was enough to nearly break WV and turn him away from leadership, on to wandering and frivolity, a Wayward Vagabond. The loss of her home in its cruel destruction, and later WV and her other friends on Earth, was enough to forge PM into a hardened warrior, willing to journey in a straight line unceasing for over a thousand days, all for dedication to a quest that was eventually no less than self-appointed. Blood to Breath.
WV?: Survey casualties.
Everyone is dead.
Everyone except you.
Your RAG OF SOULS begins to soak in the BLOOD OF THE FALLEN. You suppose it could be poetic?
No, instead you think it is just sad.
You were very foolish to believe you could be a leader of men. Look at what bearing that flag has wrought.
Perhaps one day you will find something new to bear. A burden befitting of the peasant you truly are.
Oh my what’s that shiny thing in the water.
Unity to delivery. You think the strangely unmixing colors of the blood and water in that river were a coincidence? :)
WV has an absurd talent for uniting people and defusing situations diplomatically:
You settle the dispute in the only way you can presently imagine how to settle a dispute. With cans of lukewarm sugary liquid and centuries-old rations.
If only you had access to some means of heating things up.
But it matters not. You warm yourselves in the glow of this human emotion called friendship.
And the Ring he made his quest item was especially fitting… because the RINGS symbolize BLOOD!<– (CLICK AND READ for Blood’s symbolism in the Rings and Red Miles, and how Karkat might eventually be able to use one! This link also covers how Jack Noir, if anything, might represent something of a Prince of Blood.)
Blood is also symbolized by Flags, especially red ones, as WV once carried. These represent the tight and necessary interplay of Breath and Blood: after all, a flag needs wind to fly, and even Breath-borne mail starts and ends at destinations: mailboxes marked by red flags!
You wield your TRUSTY KNIFE.
It is actually a…
You’re not sure what they’re called. It’s an old rusted one of those red mailbox arm-swing flappy doodads, either for letting you know there is mail in the box, or maybe for alerting the mailman to outgoing mail to be collected. You don’t know, really. You’ve wrapped a little piece of cloth around it for the grip.
Karkat’s ‘red flags’ were tied down, unable to blow in the wind, his role unrealized.
You don’t have time for fancy poetry. It’s almost as useless as those arm-swing flappy things on mailboxes, assuming you even knew what those were, which you don’t. Trolls don’t have mail. Mail is almost as useless as poetry to them. Poetry is the swing arm flappy dealy of words, and mail is the red tilty lever doodad of giving people shit.
Teamwork is one of Blood’s greatest strengths, mighty amidst scattered bands of individualistic heroes. Will is power against reality, and Blood can unite the strength and diversity of myriad wills to a single goal. (And as a complete failure of a Blood player, Kankri was ineffectual and dwelt on the meaningless instead of truly helping his pre-Scratch team of trolls… thus, they were not a team at all, and failed to unite to succeed in their session.)
CG: YEAH. THAT’S THE ROSE HUMAN. CG: SHE’S APPARENTLY PRETTY SARCASTIC. CG: IT’S IN MY NOTES. GA: You Have Notes On Them CG: YES. GA: I Guess GA: Thats Why Youre Our Leader Karkat CG: NO, I’M YOUR LEADER BECAUSE OF MY INCREDIBLE TACTICAL SKILLS AND MY ABILITY TO MOBILIZE AND MOTIVATE A BUNCH OF USELESS PEOPLE TOWARD A COMMON GOAL, AND BECAUSE I’M EXTREMELY AMBITIOUS AND INTREPID. ALSO BECAUSE LEADERSHIP IS IN MY BLOOD. WE’VE BEEN OVER THIS. GA: Statements Like That Are Also Why Youre Our Leader
But a team still needs that goal, a goal, some goal. A direction, inspiration behind which to unite their wills and plow forward through reality.
TT: That’s why you’re our leader, John. EB: huh? TT: Optimism through stalwart skepticism is a defect not everyone is lucky enough to be cursed with. EB: that’s stupid. EB: i’m not your leader, i am your FRIEND, there is a BIG difference! TT: Statements like that are also why you’re our leader.
Yours is quite an inspiring story, actually. It’s just a shame that all of your accomplishments will be so horrible. But that’s really beside the point. YEAH, I ALREADY KNEW I WAS INCREDIBLE AND SPECIAL. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO. INSPIRE ME. SAVE YOUR BREATH FUCKHEAD.
Unity can form a mighty band of brothers, who discover a common Direction to pursue. Or Direction can take the shape of an inspirational figure, allies naturally Uniting around their lofty goals. Either makes a team.
Like their functions in a living body, Blood and Breath are necessary for any group to unite and influence reality. Blood circulates and pulses through your limbs, delivering nourishment to each separate cell so they may act as one. But needs repeated infusions of oxygen, each Breath, each goal keeping the body driven towards its next. Without unity, individuals break off fragmented and without their collective power, towards separate desires like dispersing wind. Without a goal, a team stagnates and dissolves, unity suffocated as if holding their collective Breath.
Direction without Unity is folly, like Tavros’s doomed charge.
Which is why, even with a singular Breathy quest, you need Blood as a restraint, a safety net… or rather, a safety belt!
> John: Buckle up.
Safety is the most important thing.
> WV?: Follow suit.
This is why seat belt safety should always be paramount.
Remember to buckle up!
(In the main Homestuck discussion thread on the forums, people even joked at the time that Homestuck had secretly been a setup for a driving/seatbelt PSA all along. Looking back, one user even referenced the “Friendship is Paramount” mspa forum rule and asked:)
(If only he knew the metaphors potentially at play! :D )
Without both Breath and Blood, defeating a foe like Lord English - one more powerful than any lone individual - is impossible!
But anyway… back to the aspects’ more separate functions.
PM is an especially fitting example of Breath. After all, delivery is Breath!
“This thing right here? You have never seen a Parcel Pyxis? Incomprehensible! Okay I’ll play your pretend game for a minute. It is a receptacle connected to our network of Pipes. We use them to send stuff to different places. They are fully intertwined with our customs and social practices.
If there is something we want, we chisel it on a Minitablet and drop it in. Who receives it? Hard to say! But if you encounter a Minitablet and you possess what is chiseled on it, it is considered only polite to drop it in the Pyxis!
Similarly, if you encounter a Parcel Pyxis that has a prize in it already, you are obligated to keep the prize for yourself! Consider it to be a gift to you from the Breeze. This is just the way things work.
Whenever one of us is standing near one of these, we feel compelled to give this little speech about it.”
But you wonder where all of her sweet weapons went.
She indicates in the language of plush toy pantomime that she has no idea! They all blew away in the
BREEZE.
The presents and deliveries to and from John, the coincidences that lead people to and from him, the Breeze that flows through LoWaS and routes items to and from those who offer and ask… Breath is the surest distance between two estranged points. Where Space can see locations and traverse physical distances, Breath bridges the gaps emotionally, connects beings regardless of location. It flies above, outside, around the physical, detached from the plane of existence…
…and can deliver you something even from your dreams.
(The ring is real, likely one of the void rings of the post-Scratch session, cast into the Void somehow; perhaps by Roxy. But without Breath and will, it wouldn’t be in John’s hand.)
All this detachment and intangibility arguably ties in to a little Gnostic idea called “Pneuma”. However, I know next to jack shit about mythology; the one who pointed to the connection was LilDurandal, who sent me the incomplete notes of a now-deleted post-in-progress she made after one of our conversations, some of which I’ll reproduce here:
(Again, ALL OF THE FOLLOWING UNTIL THE BLOCKQUOTE ENDS is from LilDurandal, NOT ME, except where I made SPECIFIC NOTES in double-brackets!!!)
The Heart and Hope denizens are from gnostic cosmology, so I think it’s fair to say that certain gnostic concepts are likely to be a Thing. This can get a little tricky to research if you aren’t familiar with gnosticism - translators like to translate these two words into the same English word, possibly in order to spite me - but: The gnostics believed that a person is composed of three elements: body, psyche, and pneuma.
[And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thessalonians 5:23)]
In gnostic systems, the material universe is the creation of the demiurge, a flawed creator god; in some systems, he is called Yaldabaoth. The material universe is imperfect and filled with suffering because it is the flawed creation of an inferior being, and the bodies and souls of humans are among the demiurge’s creations. But the pneuma - breath, spirit - is a divine spark that does not come from the demiurge: it is immaterial, and the material world is its prison.
First, this might help clarify ‘attachment’ and ‘detachment,’ for those who are unfamiliar with the concepts.
There are three conditions which often look alike Yet differ completely, flourish in the same hedgerow: Attachment to self and to things and to persons, detachment From self and from things and from persons; and, growing between them, indifference Which resembles the others as death resembles life, Being between two lives - unflowering, between The live and the dead nettle. This is the use of memory: For liberation - not less of love but expanding Of love beyond desire, and so liberation From the future as well as the past. Thus, love of a country Begins as an attachment to our own field of action And comes to find that action of little importance Though never indifferent. History may be servitude, History may be freedom. See, now they vanish, The faces and places, with the self which, as it could, loved them, To become renewed, transfigured, in another pattern. Sin is Behovely, but All shall be well, and All manner of thing shall be well.
Absence diminishes little passions and increases great ones, as wind extinguishes a candle and fans a flame.
The Breath aspect is dispassionate; it is the aspect of detachment, of freedom and independence, the immaterial, and the numinous.
Heroes of Breath have a distinct, and honestly rather unsettling, tendency towards what seems like calmness or detachment from events or information that most people would react strongly to. To put it lightly, they are prone to massive underreaction.
[[And physically, John now has the ability to dissolve into pure spirit, taking detachment from the world to a new level. - Boots]]
Their relative detatchment from the world around them can make them prone to fantasizing or to becoming distracted by their own imaginations, and to being a little out of step with what is going on around them.
Meenah told John she wanted to stab Roxy just to see what would happen; a few minutes later, John felt the need to tell her this:
MEENAH: nerd JOHN: um. JOHN: yeah, sorry.
And they can be inattentive to practical concerns.
But it also means they find it easy to go with the flow and to handle changing circumstances by being flexible (if not pliable).
=>How is it possible to die twice? What else is there to lose, after you’ve lost your life - what dies the second time that didn’t the first?
Don’t you think the dreaming dead seem peculiarly detached?
Don’t some of them seem like they’re missing something, somehow?
Consider the extreme detatchment of Jade’s dream self when she is retrieved from death:
And our resident psychopomp says worldly concerns aren’t the business of the dead.
In gnosticism, the psyche and the body are creations of the demiurge and remain in the material universe. Only the pneuma can escape it and enter heaven.
The Breath symbol is the Life symbol, slightly modified and flipped on its side.
WHOA!!! Thanks, LilDurandal! Now it may be speculative, but that’s one hell of a revelation, there, if the broad ghost connection holds.
And, despite how uncertain it is compared to the rest… shouldn’t it? After all, who started out as our Ghost-obsessed ghostyTrickster, and is now about as difficult to strike as the incorporeal?
To go on a wilder, more uncertain tangent, this also might play into his romantic arc with Vriska, and potentially Roxy… in the event that, for example, both of them happen to end up DEAD as ghosts. And then…
SALAMANDER: It’s said the Heir will wake the denizen by playing a magical song only he can play, and when he wakes up, the Heir will meet the terrible beast face to face!
SALAMANDER: It is then that he will be offered The Choice. The nature of the Heir’s triumph depends on what he chooses!
What if, like John’s land focuses on delivery, and Hephaestus offered to undo/Fix something… his denizen, Typheus, gave him the Choice to Return something he’d lost? What if he has to choose which one to bring back to life?! Hoo, boy, would that be “choosing the nature of his triumph”… And it could even lead to him reviving the one who ‘deserves’ it, but pairing up with the dead one and having a ghost girlfriend. Except for weird later age-appearance issues, or…
Eh, ignore me on that. It’s far-flung, random rom-speculation. :)
On to one of my last points. Something much more relevant.
Have you seen the series, Avatar: The Last Airbender?
Well, I won’t go into ALL the Breath in that series. However, there’s a very important, specific scene I’d like to share with you: the one where Guru Pathik, an excellent media example of a Sylph of Breath, teaches Aang to unlock his chakras (raw link, embedded here):
The entire 14 minutes are an excellent example of untying oneself from the more harmful ramifications of Blood, divesting oneself from worries, regret, shame, fear, and guilt in favor of detached optimism, acceptance, and enlightenment. Spiritual freedom, and the unquestionable happiness and power it brings…
With a catch. One you see with the very last chakra, at the 8:36 mark.
PATHIK: The thought chakra is located at the crown of the head. It deals with pure cosmic energy, and is blocked by earthly attachment. Meditate on what attaches you to this world. [Images of Katara appear before Aang.] Now, let all of those attachments go. Let them flow down the river, forgotten. AANG: [Coming out of his meditation.] What? Why would I let go of Katara? I…I love her! PATHIK: Learn to let her go, or you cannot let the pure cosmic energy flow in from the universe. AANG: Why would I choose cosmic energy over Katara? [Aang throws his hands up.] How could it be a bad thing that I feel an attachment to her? Three chakras ago that was a good thing! PATHIK: You must learn to let go. AANG: I’m sorry, but I can’t let go of Katara. PATHIK: Aang, to master the Avatar State, you must open all the chakras. Surrender yourself. AANG: Okay, I’ll try. PATHIK: Now think of your attachments and let them go. Let the pure cosmic energy flow. Aang sees an image of him letting Katara go, and then a bridge that will lead him to Avatar State mastery. As he is being surrounded by energy, however, he hears a shriek from Katara. He runs away from the end of the road. This cuts his connection to the Avatar State, which drops him back to reality. AANG: Katara’s in danger! I have to go! [Prepares to exit.] PATHIK: No, Aang! By choosing attachment, you have locked the chakra! If you leave now, you won’t be able to go into the Avatar State at all!
Those worldly attachments are Blood! And Aang made a choice - a Choice, if you will - not to let them go, even though (as it cuts to at the end of the video) he feels he has no option but to try again later, in an attempt to protect what he loves. A dilemma he discusses in between, in a conversation with the wise Uncle Iroh:
AANG: Well, I met with this guru who was supposed to help me master the Avatar State and control this great power, but to do it, I had to let go of someone I love. [He and Iroh stop.] And I just couldn’t. IROH: Perfection and power are overrated. I think you were very wise to choose happiness and love. AANG: [Earthbends again.] What happens if we can’t save anyone and beat Azula? Without the Avatar State, what if I’m not powerful enough? IROH: I don’t know the answer. Sometimes, life is like this dark tunnel. You can’t always see the light at the end of the tunnel, but if you just keep moving… [Aang earthbends the rocks away one last time. Iroh’s fire blows out. He smiles.] …you will come to a better place.
A fully realized Hero of Breath must also understand and appreciate Blood, and is fully within his rights to keep and care for Blood if he so wishes. Just like a hero of Blood cannot remain so mired in the chains around him that he refuses to take another step forward, to appreciate the importance of a leap into imagination and ideals.
The nature of a Hero’s triumph depends on what he chooses.
And what might John’s most important, final role in the story be?
UU: it is the day whereafter the legendary octet of mUtUal progenitoriety will come together and heal a great breach in paradox space. UU: a day delivered throUgh eighty billion years and foUr distinct Universal instances worth of Unfathomable tUrbUlence. UU: and while the emerald eye of this storm is fixed in the abyss forever UU: today yoU are poised to escape its scowl once and for all. UU: by skaias gUiding light, yoU may leave behind its tUrning arms of bright coloUrs and mayhem, and secUre peace for yoUr cosmic progeny for all dUration.
…who better to lead the heroes out of the Sun’s reach, or maybe even to allow escape from Paradox Space altogether? :)
Space and Time are its physical fabric, from which power and flexibility are derived. Heart is the reset-spanning power of the unique soul and its potential to carve the ideas it deeply desires into reality, while Mind is the effect of choice and façade, of logic and thought on how events unfold. Light is what Skaia and Doc Scratch operate on: information, perception, communication, and the carefully placed circumstances encoded into reality to benefit individuals/causes in the form of Fortune, whileVoid is the domain of the Horrorterrors, causing destruction and obscuring information from view to forestall action or tempt interest, leaving misfortune in its wake. Breath is direction, purpose and quest, the drive and freedom to fly and move toward a chosen path on reality or send others/objects on paths of their own, while Blood is grounded in the bonds, unity, and suffering that glue people together toward whatever goals they may seek to effect into reality under their combined power. Life is the energy and optimism to fuel one’s inclination and ability to influence existence, and Doom its curtailing, pessimism and the routes which lead to death and exclusion from the ability to affect that which exists - how Life’s energy may be expended and exhausted in exchange for powerful effects on reality. Hope is one’s belief in the breadth of the possibilities open to them for pursuit, for delivery into reality, while Rage is how one’s perception of them is narrowed considerably through anger and fear.
Now let’s imagine this in a more complete, visual way…
Imagine the empty fabric of possibility, dark and limitless.
Imagine hills and valleys, a complex dark geography expanding in the dark, literally growing and created. This is Space. Imagine moving your vision forward in a general direction in the ‘sky’ of this realm, perhaps side to side but always forward, more geography unfolding underneath you, unseen in the sea of black… some of it crumbling a little as you pass. This is Time.
Now, to cast aside the blackness… imagine luminous rays draping the landscape, allowing anyone to view its appearance, its grandeur, the shape of reality. This is Light. Imagine clouds interspersed between the rays, collecting and dark, obscuring the geography in places to unvisibility. Their presence ominous… but their mysteries tempting. This is Void.
Imagine now… a Spark. A colorful, small beacon floating in the sky, not bright itself but so important that the other light doesn’t really matter. This Spark is a being, an existence, someone with the power to influence reality… and it grows in brightness, flitting about slowly but gaining speed as the raw energy to paint its will on the landscape of creation increases from infancy to a powerful, conscious, yet oh so small presence. This is Life.
This Spark is absolutely unique. Other Sparks will flit into existence nearby, in a similar fashion… just as important, varying in power, but every Spark is different, and this one is no exception. It desires different things, is enticed by others, and this determines its paths… imagine a few shadowy, wispy strands swirling out in the same color as the Spark, extending forward in different directions across Time, into the future… the paths the Spark is inclined to follow. Imagine it gliding along its path as foretold by its inclination, carving everlasting light in its color behind it, tracing a permanent path through the sky and reality. This is Heart. Imagine a shadowy wisp moving down and hitting an obstruction in the landscape, twisting out into a number of equal paths… splitting in a way that forces the Spark to choose, to twist and reorient itself, the way it touches the divide, portrays itself to the landscape, to careen down one path as opposed to another. A decision point, requiring consideration of the environment beyond its innate inclinations. This is Mind.
The Spark descends into an intricate cavern, perils and complexity, and suddenly its overwhelmed by the possibilities it might find. Shadowy tendrils of perceived paths spill out forward into the twisting nooks and crannies of the cavern, a carnival of opportunities ahead of itself so tempting that it’s almost difficult to decide which to take! This is Hope. Then, the loud noise of a small, nearby cave-in frightens the Spark, the shadowy projections of its perceived options narrowing in its fear to a single, safe one, less importantly safe but more importantly what it perceives as the only option… This is Rage.
At one point, another Spark passes by, brimming with youthful energy and power but angry at the trialsome caves in which it was trapped. This other Spark decides to deal a blow to the cavern in turn… some distance away, it flares up and EXPLODES against the landscape like a burst of fire, leaving shattered rubble and its permanent light of its color as a mystic sphere of import and impact. The remainder of the spark drifts weakly out of the center of the explosion to wander the caves again, moving slower and glowing dimmer than before, never to shine as bright again after its powerful sacrifice. This is Doom.
Finally, after wandering and wandering through the caverns, a burst of wanderlust overtakes the Spark, and it projects a path that spirals up and up, straight up through the solid cavern ceiling, the beam of carved light behind it blazing through stone and matter without touching it… and the Spark soars out of the ground, farther up into the air than it’s ever been, a path determined by its desired destination regardless of obstacles. This is Breath. And down below, a small sea of other sparks are flowing across the landscape, so close and tight to the floor as to actually touch the ground in places, linking together to weave beautiful, wide ribbons of pattern across the world of existence with their shared light. The Spark comes down and joins them, shackling itself to them and strengthening their cause… This is Blood.
And that, my friends, is how reality flows and unfolds.
Here’s hoping you enjoyed this extremely long post on Breath and Blood! Below, (later, by editing this post), I’ll try to explain how all twelve classes for Breath and Blood would function, and try to give you as many examples as I can from popular media of characters who fit each role. Check back later, or watch my blog: I’ll be posting notices of any updates I make to the chart under the “Breath and Blood” tag.
— BREATH CLASSES — (TBD)
— BLOOD CLASSES — (TBD)
HOPEFULLY FINAL EDIT: I’ve gone through and fixed all the broken images for hopefully the last time. In case this post gets super fucked again, you can find a hopefully-intact zipped-up version with all the images downloaded and included correctly right here.
vexarian asked: “Are you drunk or something, because that conclusion is pretty inexplicable.”
Well, it’s at least something worth considering, isn’t it?
Mituna did something huge and important back in the trolls’ alpha session, implied even to be crucial to our heroes’ present chance of victory. But what was it? Until now, I didn’t have the slightest clue.
However… all the surviving Non-God-Tier trolls (and Gamzee, who’s up in the air) are Prospit dreamers. Some theorists have insisted that the trolls will ascend before the end, though as with Mituna’s sacrifice, they had no clue about the details that would result in such a thing. But if Mituna’s great sacrifice was to launch the alpha troll session’s Prospit, Quest Crypts and all, across Paradox Space…?
Mituna is the Heir of Doom, one who invites change in Sacrifice and change through Sacrifice. Such a momentous act, presumably crucial for Paradox Space’s survival, definitely fits within the context of his role!
Not sure if you've seen this already, but I came across a post on my dashboard a while back which suggested that the Alpha session's version of Prospit will play a role in Karkat and Terezi getting back together. (Namely, that Terezi always wanted to show the planet to Karkat but never got the chance to, so they'll have a Moment there). Penny for your thoughts?
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Wait, could THAT be what Mituna did??! So they could ALL GO GOD-TIER? :O!!!!
Adding to your "Jake might end up dead" theory: guess who's holding the fenestrated plane that John and Jade are going to pop out AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT of DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO HIS FACE?
As funny as that may sound like it could be, these kids still have Skaia on their side, nudging events and timing to and fro with the butterfly effect. Coincidence isn’t going to be what kills them.
If you want someone killed by the tiny ship ripping through their bodies (and somehow not getting wrecked in the process), then someone else would almost surely have to be holding the window up as if intending that effect on someone else. Or if it’s an accident, it would have to be an enemy holding it up to a hero, or a hero holding it up to an enemy.
One of the ideas most central to Foucalt’s work is the Panopticon, a theoretical prison structure that is designed such that a single guard can monitor a very large number of prison cells arranged in a cylindrical pattern from a tower in the center, built such that the prisoners can’t actually see the guard. The idea is that the prisoners will inevitably end up self-monitoring their own behavior (and monitoring each other’s behavior) because, while it’s theoretically possible there’s not even anyone in the guard tower, that’s far too dangerous a hypothesis to test. Stories in which characters monitor each other in secret, or believe that other characters might be monitoring them, are pretty strongly in his theoretical territory. One really terrific example is Hamlet; if you’re familiar with its plot, those elements should probably be immediately apparent.
And that’s pretty much a central aspect to a huge number of plotlines in Homestuck! Everything from dream bubbles to Caliborn’s monitors center around the idea of characters watching, studying and surveilling each other. Time loops also play into this idea; they’re self-maintaining systems that don’t necessarily need a direct source that are made in such a way that they must work. Doc Scratch and Lord English work on an M.O. of monitoring absolutely everything, and (if the plan to strategically have Lord English attack specific locations works out) his inability to keep himself hidden might be his undoing. Caliborn’s chess game is another great example; by deliberately disguising key information, he gained an impossible upper hand.
Right! This is largely true, in a sense.
Lord English retains an informational and perceptual advantage on his victims, keeping them deprived of knowledge like the meaning behind the Ultimate Riddle to hide the impact individuals that might oppose him have on reality. He misleads their perception of events to disguise the true forces at work, getting them to believe that “magic” is responsible for their abilities rather than their innate power, calling items “magic” or “jujus” to keep people from questioning their true origins and workings; this act of perceptual shielding is an exercise of the Rage aspect, how possibilities are hidden from our view by secrecy, fear, anger, and intimidation.
However, a crucial session blanketed in Void restricts his vision somewhat. It means he cannot use Doc Scratch to omnisciently nudge events into his favor from the outside or preconditions, and has little choice but to step out into the open to conduct events.
Apart from however much his clownish servant can bring the young Caliborn his keys, inviting the destruction of the secrecy obscuring his view of their session.
What is your speculation for jades romantic future? With dave and karkat and anyone else?
I considered doing this in ask-reply form, because it’s so tentative that I didn’t feel like having it rebloggable, but yolo.
Let me quickly go over my take on the romantic arcs I’m sure of…
Here are the ones that seem solid.
Jane –> DEAD, by character-arc corruption and descent (80% certainty)
Jake –> DEAD, via Lord English possession (80% certainty)
Karkat <3 Terezi (90% certainty)
Rose <3 Kanaya
Dirk <3 Gamzee
Kanaya <> Vriska (unless she never sees her again… which seems unlikely)
Kanaya <3< Gamzee
Terezi <3< Vriska (even if she never sees her again!)
Karkat <3< Caliborn (no to any deep relationship, but yes to him technically being his destined, epic kismesis)
(Karkat <> Gamzee, duh)
So… here’s my reasoning.
Jane and Jake are “strangled by the red string”. But no, I don’t mean that like the trope at all… what I mean is that their inborn romance has the potential to literally strangle them, sort of like their destined attraction acting as a meta-level kind of Destiny Bond. Jane and Jake either both live, or both die. Even if one finds love elsewhere, it’s nearly impossible to imagine either going on with life without the other at least nearby and living… sort of like Karkat and Terezi. (Quite clingy, Karkat is.)
Add in the narrative hints about them, the growing clues that Jane will descend entirely, or that Jake may lose his head or have his body stolen from underneath him upon ‘defeating’ Lord English, have his face taken like the movie his golden guns reference…
EB: in my foolishness, i came very close to prototyping your grandpa. GG: D: GG: john, try to be more careful! EB: we very nearly had to face our grandfatherly paradox-dad as a last boss. EB: that would probably be the worst case scenario. GG: um….. GG: what?
Their combined likelihood of survival becomes lower and lower.
Jane was always meant to be the counterexample to John. John was the one who grew up with a 'normal’ and loving father, goofed around a ton, greeted his game and quests with plucky enthusiasm, and realized his role to become a heroic God. Jane is the one who is also shown to grow up with the same 'normal’, caring father, in the same normal house, with the same plucky, vivacious, and quite frivolous demeanor… only for her resolve to fail, and her will to fall to death and destruction!
If Jake isn’t torn apart by Lord English’s intervention, rest assured that the women/robots in his life will finish him off. Jane, Lil’ Hal (destined to become Doc Scratch), and possibly Vriska, might find themselves with ample opportunity to put him in harm’s way.
Terezi is slowly dissolving away from Dave, on a path to reunite with Karkat unless Karkat gets suddenly distracted by a new (living) suitor. There doesn’t appear to be anything Dave could possibly do to forestall her path.
Rose and Kanaya have solidified past most of the huge amount of tension in their relationship’s leadup, with an enormous onscreen display of bewildered, drunken romance. They’re likely to have a true one-to-one conflict / dramatic break, but this will likely be a physical challenge or something regarding a challenge to part in order to resurrect Kanaya’s race or heal Paradox Space, environmental factors threatening to separate them more than each others’ emotions, in my opinion. (Others would disagree.) Especially since the two have virtually no other plausible romantic options. (Others would disagree even more vehemently.)
Dirk and Gamzee are a destined couple; Gamzee, who will certainly either live to the end of Homestuck or die the most absurdly Heroic death one could possibly imagine, has romance in the future of his character arc, and Dirk is so much the only option that I predicted he’d be a homosexual just from the relationship’s raw likelihood, before [S] Cascade.
There are also some hints that the unbelievably epic, 'destined’ Kismesis that Karkat has been waiting for all his life is Lord English himself, in a way. Not that an actual relationship will take place, but Caliborn is essentially a meaner, nastier, stupider Karkat, and threatens all existence. Karkat wouldn’t find a more perfect destined rival anywhere in Paradox Space. :)
Terezi <3< Vriska has always been our prototype kismesis example, despite its ups and downs; one of the most obvious and solid kismeses in the entire comic. Terezi was never annoyed by anyone as much as she was by Vriska, except possibly Gamzee lately… which Rose and Kanaya have assured us is unacceptable and doomed. Kanaya has shown that she now has the resolve to stand up to Vriska and smack her down when she makes a mistake, and that Vriska would enjoy it rather than seeing her as an enemy as Kanaya had long feared. The elements are all there… provided Vriska is actually alive again for any length of time. They seem the 'destined’ relationships, in a way, even if Vriska dies a second time or stays dead. It’d make them widows, sort of?
Alright. Now we’re onto the fudgy bits… here’s where things get complicated.
UNPAIRED MALES:
John
Dave
(Davesprite?)
(Tavros?)
UNPAIRED FEMALES:
Roxy
Jade
(Vriska)
And herein lies the dilemma.
Vriska has yet to cause her foretold “unfathomable destruction”, likely out in the Furthest Ring (but possibly afterward). She has a reasonable chance of finding a way to cheat back to life out there, even if she has to betray Meenah or even Tavros to do so. (Of course, the extent to which it might be considered 'betrayal’, if at all, when it unfolds, would speak to just how large or small her chances of eventual redemption and a secured lifespan will be.)
Vriska has a whole ton of romantic plot leaning on John, and a huge advantage in the relationship game if she resurrects. However, her competition will be steadily growing stronger in Roxy Lalonde, the other thief after John’s heart. The Roxy/John ship has had plenty of subtly seeded evidence, even before the Scratch (read underneath the Spongebob gif in the link). And right now, John is almost certainly holding a ring…
…that Roxy herself may have cast into the Void.
It’s a struggle between Light, the broad and obvious overtures of Vriska’s in-your-face chances, against Void, the subtle and disconnected shadows building up to Roxy’s eventual stab at John from behind.
And I don’t know who will win. It’s a toss-up. And if Vriska wins, which would normally seem somewhat more likely… what happens to Roxy???
But anyway… moving on from John, that simply leaves Jade and Dave, right? Straightforward, right?Wrong!!!
Dave is starting to accumulate some heavy foreshadowing that of the huge, major original characters, he himself - the one who’s something of an author insert based character in personality! - is going to be the one to bite the dust before the story ends, as the links describe. Foreshadowing so strong and slow-progressing that even Davesprite doesn’t have the narrative weight to bail him out.
There is an out, though. One out, the only one I’ve been able to think of.
It’s the only thing strong enough to steal a level of metanarrative doom that took [S] Cascade to first foreshadow. And I honestly can’t tell you what the chances are of it happening, or her even possessing the opportunity.
What’s left for Jade if Dave dies? Well… that’s hard to say! Perhaps Davesprite? Possibly a newly confident Tavros, reforged and reversed from the damaging sun of Vriska’s inversion-inducing and relationship-dooming abuse? I couldn’t tell you for sure.
Possibly even Karkat, if something miraculous or tragic gets in the way of Terezi uniting with him. (Such as Terezi/Davesprite or something weirder.) After all, of the “sure” ships I gave at the top, you’ll see that some of them weren’t at a 100% chance.
(Of the “unlikely ships”, precluded by the way the plot seems to be going and other things, I personally enjoy the prospect of Jane/Karkat. Sharing shocked expressions, freaking out at everyone else’s reality-defying shenanigans while retaining a resolute measure of normalcy… you can see it, can’t you?)
And I don’t see why you think Dirk and ONLY Dirk will live if every other Alpha kid is dead! Yea, you’ve thought of reasons for the other three and not for him, but Hussie loves his symmetry. Ever notice how he likes to have an equal number of male and female characters in any given subset of the geodesic cast, barring the Midnight Crew and Felt? If he leaves Dirk alive, he’ll probably leave one of the alpha girls alive (or revive her through shenanigans). If he kills all the alpha girls, he’ll probably kill both alpha boys.
Dammit, sorry! I didn’t think ahead that far. :c This is exactly why we did extended analysis of the branching possibilities in Romspec.
So… first of all, I want to emphasize that Roxy sacrificing herself to avert Dave’s foreshadowed death is a small and as-of-yet unknown probability. I said that her sacrifice would be the only possible event with the strength to prevent Dave’s death; I didn’t say whether it was necessarily that likely. We won’t know until events have unfolded further.
But second, yes, I agree with you. In the case where Roxy, Jane, and Jake die - and keep in mind, even if Roxy dies, those other two are only mostly sure things - Dirk would surely die as well. I would still hold Gamzee/Dirk as solid in that situation, and they may even die working together. Or fighting each other. It’s hard to tell with Gamzee. :)
Regardless, that male/female ratio rule of yours holds mostly true, and we should keep it in mind for the future.
EDIT2: And one more thing.
There’s a slight potential that Roxy and Vriska may both end up DEAD (in Vriska’s case, possibly *again*) at once.
If that’s the case, John may encounter a choice - possibly a Denizen choice - to revive one or the other!
Anyway… hope all those meandering musings were helpful! Now you have an impression of my vague ideas on the pulse of the story and its impending disasters.
(Totally worth writing this up instead of finishing the Breath and Blood post.)
Romspec founder BlastYoBoots, your resident Seer of Doom, out!<3
all the symbolism with horuss and rufioh and dirk and jake, right
like all the stuff that is the same
and then
rufioh wants to break up with horuss
this is incredibly clear foreshadowing to dirkjake not being endgame
blastyoboots: yeah i gue-
blastyoboots: …..
blastyoboots: oh shit
You can probably connect the dots from there. Not regarding Dirk and Jake, whose relationship was doomed due to a wholly different relationship’s inevitability, but more importantly regarding the girl in the equation.
Of course, for those not following, let’s have a little recap?
Tiara! Subtle.
Meek as can be, DamaraJane shared romantic leanings with RufiohJake. However…
RufiohJake ran off with HorussDirk. A relationship where RufiohJake was taught to fight, taught to fly, to enjoy a measure of confidence in himself… but one that wasn’t a perfect match, which RufiohJake (may or may not have) wanted to end at some point, but would find himself without the courage to do so, as it was difficult to stand against the imperturbable HorussDirk.
GT: Well im more than a little sure he likes me in that way if you catch my drift. GT: And what with how he is… GT: Just so relentless and aggressive about everything you know? GG: Yeaaah. GT: So i just start to wonder deep down if maybe its inevitable. GG: What’s inevitable? GT: Him and me. As more than just best buddies. GG: Uhhhhh… GT: I know if he has his heart set on something he will never let up. GT: So maybe its just going to happen and things will be easier that way and i should just try to come to terms with it?
DamaraJane was obviously distraught about losing her one true love to another, but that alone wasn’t enough to transform her personality. What pushed her off of a cliff…
Was Meenah’s intervention and antagonization! (In Jane’s case, this would likely apply to the Condesce, or possibly also to the Auto Responder.)
I always wondered why Andrew made the particular romantic subplot between those pre-Scratch trolls so unnecessarily complicated. Why was so much detail warranted, I wondered? Now we know: He was carefully phrasing their situation to mirror how Jane’s will unfold!
So, just how disastrous was Damara’s turn? It shouldn’t be understated:
For multiple separate ghosts of an individual to show up in the afterlife, they must be killed within doomed timelines. And in the ministrife, as well as from Damara’s word, we can see that there are thousands of duplicates… so much so, because Damara kept killing her friends and dooming the timeline whenever they got closer to success!
In the link at the top, I showed you how dangerous an inverted Jane Crocker could be; now, you have another enormous canon hint to how dangerous she will be.
And just one more closing note:
SHIT SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK
It turns out I missed a monumental implication of this connection.
Read this part of Aranea’s explanation of it all:
Unfortunately, you unleashed something even you weren’t prepared for, and you had to deal with her yourself. After a long 8loody duel, she killed you. And you would have stayed dead if not for me!
Now, I didn’t bring this part of it up earlier. I knew there were plenty of hints to their rivalry, to at least some sort of fight between the Condesce and Jane…
pipefan413: The baroness would raise her very strictly, mentoring her in the art of baking. The girl took to the lessons with fierce determination. Her only act of defiance left was to one day surpass the baroness in skill, and beat her at her own game. […]
…But the batterwitch was determined to make sure this destiny would never be realized. In her limitless cruelty she would do all in her power to keep [Jane and Jake] apart for the rest of their lives. pipefan413: The girl that day swore she would bring down the baroness and her evil empire. She would use the many secrets she’d learned over the years against her, and began carefully plotting her downfall. pipefan413: Years went by. The girl was nearly ready to put her plan into action. But then, just like that, the baroness disappeared. She was never seen or heard from again.
…but I figured she’d have allies in the fight, and didn’t see any possible plot relevance to the unlikely possibility of Jane Crocker defeating the Condesce singlehandedly. Why would Andrew possibly write the plot that way? It didn’t make any sense, and even if it did, there was no reason it was more likely than any other unfolding of events.
But that’s because I forgot about the CURSE!!!
His curse is one of conditional mortality, with the desired outcome contingent on her service.
The Handmaid will enlist the Condesce, extending the same bargain once offered to her. It will be the sort involving neither negotiation nor possibility of refusal, expressed in terms plainly understood by the psychotic genocidal.
The two last trolls alive, blood of rust and royalty, will make each other pay for the crimes against their race. Their payment will be mutually dealt in the currency of punishment and reward at once. The Condesce will be rewarded with the power and immortality her new service entails, and punished by the grueling slavery for which it is synonymous. And you, young lady, are to be punished by death at the hands of your replacement. And so too will this be your reward.
I had forgotten completely about Lord English’s powerful immortality curse, which is transferred to her MURDERER when a cursed servant is finally killed!
TT: Her boss supposedly had jacked her power level through the roof. I even heard, and don’t quote me on this, that she may have been over 9000.
But Dirk is already paired with Jake. Of course, it's possible that it won't work out, but doesn't that inherently make it possible to invalidate every other pairing that's been confirmed so far? If Dirk/Gamzee becomes a thing, then any other pre-existing relationship is capable of falling apart since Dirk/Jake would have to fall apart in order to facilitate that. Which basically results in everything being a romantic clusterfuck once again.
Romantic arcs are played for tension, plot, and potentially momentous resolutions. They follow certain ups and downs, and those ups and downs are simple enough to foresee that they can be rudimentarily traced.
Dirk and Jake’s relationship had approximately five minutes of tension before they got together. (Compare that to the likes of Rose and Kanaya, who - without really experiencing much shared conflict - still managed to keep us on edge for well over a year!) Furthermore, plot-important relationships often have to prove their worth by overcoming some sort of climactic conflict, proving the relationship’s fortitude against the environment or themselves. In the Romspec threads, I referred to such a conflict as a “Dramatic Break” - the climax of the pressure that threatens to push the gravitating pair apart, physically and/or emotionally; it can take the form of a fight, a breach of trust, a physical segregation, a competing love interest, or even one of their deaths. Take Terezi dooming and killing a Dave, for example, breaking Dave’s trust in her and putting a wedge in the relationship, which we strongly predicted in the Romspec thread over a month before it happened.
Even Kanaya and Rose are set to encounter such a conflict later, though with most of the tension drained out of the relationship arc, the stakes against its survival are hardly as high. Dirk and Jake’s relationship is more fragile, hasn’t had a true conflict. It had a mere month or two of buildup, Jake expressed out loud how unsure he was at the prospect, and Jake has a crushed and still advancing competing love interest - one unjustly turned from him by Lil Hal’s plotting - who is facing a very likely plot-important role inversion based on what the romantic snarl is doing to her mental state!!!
In other words, Dirk and Jake will suffer a dramatic break, the device that almost all plot-important relationships use to cash in their tension in a motion of narrative sensation.
The question is, given the break: Will they reunite? And the answer is often complicated, depending on the nature of the break.
In the Romspec thread, we performed something I termed “branching analysis”: We thought of all the forms the relationship’s dramatic break could take, and determined what could ensue if each occurred. Then, we prescribed nominal likelihoods to each branch. The result looked something like this (click the DAVE STRIDER spoiler in the first post):
The RUL3S OF ROM4NTIC DR4M4 say that a break will come in this relationship. Furthermore, the [S] Past Karkat: Wake up update gives us (2h) and (2i) recently, which may be used to conclude that a stronger dramatic break than previously thought is required to divide the relationship even temporarily. This narrows down our options…
Branching Event #1: Karkat dramatically rescues Terezi, proving his interest/feelings for her. Terezi breaks with Dave for Karkat. Justification: Mixed. (2i) shows that this is how Karkat has been alienated, and (2h) shows how hard Karkat would have to work to win her back. That makes this, more or less, Karkat’s main option regardless of scenario. Secondly, there has to be an impetus danger for Karkat to rescue Terezi from; sleep, and its danger to the trolls at its current time, may serve this purpose. If not, then the only dangers allowing for this scenario would be the rush to the Rift, and whatever happens afterwards; this would not be able to happen at any prior point in time, otherwise. Still, this may not be strong enough unless Dave/Terezi is weakened beforehand: A milder version of Event #2 or Event #3 would allow more clearly for this, or make it more permanent. Implications: This depends directly on the strength of Karkat’s dramatic rescue. If the danger was more mild/emotional and Karkat wasn’t risking his life in the process, Terezi would be open to reconsider and possibly come back to Dave. However, if this is a Dream!Jade level rescue, Terezi may stay with Karkat permanently (she’s already had her dramatic break with him too). This would force Dave to find other romantic options. (2k) points toward Jade.
Branching Event #2: Dave betrays Terezi’s trust, forcing Terezi to break things off. Justification: Mixed. The lack of overt enthusiasm on Dave’s part, especially compared to Terezi in (2h), seems to leave room for this to happen, possibly by smooching one of the other kids. However, timeline shenanigans seem to prevent most of these possibilities, unless we assume that Terezi didn’t look far enough into Future Dave x3’s timeline to see everything that happens. Given her previous planning, this is a serious assumption. However, a weaker version of this could be likely, where Terezi misinterprets Dave as having stronger feelings for someone else, and opens room for Event #1 or Event #3 to occur. (2b) seems to hint at such a possibility. (2k) indicates future relationship growth between Dave and Jade, which might cause this. Implications: These would depend on Dave’s feelings for the other kids, and his willingness to make a move in front of Terezi; given how he watches his image, a serious screw-up on his part is not as likely as a misunderstanding on Dave’s part. If Terezi breaks with him over a misunderstanding and nothing else interferes, Dave could repair things into a permanent relationship.
Branching Event #3: Terezi betrays Dave’s trust, forcing Dave to break things off. Justification:Quite Decent. Terezi’s competition with Vriska, combined with (4a) and especially (4c), could lead to such an event; a weaker version of Event #2 happening before this would almost fully justify this possibility. In retaliation for a perceived disloyalty/offense on Dave’s part, she could do something to him or one of the other kids (like John again to assist her competition), something Dave can’t forgive. This would fulfill the manipulative, murderous tendencies that Terezi has previously exhibited, but have never been on full display close to the current time. It’s a part of her nature, a part the kids only tangentially saw with her alt-murder of John. This is one of the only imaginable events that would once again show off her skills to the readers… with disastrous consequences for her. (4d) seems to offer further confirmation. Implications: Serious. The event must be quite severe for the relationship to break as it needs to, and if it’s just a hair too severe, Dave may never forgive her. And even if it’s the less severe scenario, it would provide Karkat opportunity to win her back ala Event #1, probably permanently. Dave/Terezi is still possible under such a scenario, but it seems likely that their relationship would need to overcome serious obstacles to re-secure, with a good chance of failure. Not knowing the situation, I’d give it a 1/3 or ¼ chance that Dave/Terezi could pull through in such a scenario.
That post was last edited at the end of December 2010. Things have changed quite a lot since then, haven’t they? :)
The recovery from the break between Dave and Terezi (#3, as predicted) turned out to be rather low-profile, Terezi and Dave seemingly entering their relationship offscreen. The “dramatic break” didn’t have a very dramatic resolution… which has allowed Karkat to transition in, recently. Terezi is becoming more distant from Dave, Karkat is getting closer, and the likes of Rose have hinted to Dave that perhaps his relationship isn’t going to last.
Karkat and Terezi have already had their dramatic break, and it seems as if they’re building to an onscreen - and possibly dramatic - resolution. If this happens, Karkat and Terezi will likely be locked in as a permanent relationship through the end of Homestuck, unless they meet death!
(And it doesn’t hurt to mention, if I recall correctly, that the romantic movies on Karkat’s walls were ones where the main character loses his true love only to regain her later!)
Do you see? There’s a science to these relationship arcs. The idea that one relationship “might not work out” equating to “chaos” is nonsense.
And you can branch out the possibilities with Dirk and Jake, but there’s one big deciding factor that points to the relationship being permanently broken in some way. And that factor - as I mentioned - is Gamzee/Dirk.
Sometimes, a character arc demands that romance is important to it. With the introduction of the romantic misstep Gamzee had with Tavros - and the fact that Gamzee isn’t going to die (which is the joke) unless he dies the most hilariously heroic death in Homestuck, something I’ve been saying and could have told you even before Hussie stated it out loud - a dramatic and stable red romance in his character arc is just about guaranteed.
Given that, here’s the link to my reasoning… but the short answer is that Gamzee has no other plausible options. His red destination is Dirk and nobody else, to an extent that I was becoming certain of it before Cascade!
To quote some of myself from the nested links I just gave you:
There was a bit of extra context there, but let me re-sum my logic simply:
Gamzee is staying alive until future notice. He’s living through the timeskip.
Gamzee is obviously going to participate in flushed romance. The failed attempt with Tavros is buildup to it. Before the plot ends or he dies, wewillsee him paired with somebody.
Now at this point, before [S] Cascade, I concluded that none of the remaining kids or trolls seemed possible fits for Gamzee. Furthermore, I knew that we would be getting a guardian swap post-Scratch, meaning Bro, Mom, Grandpa, and Nanna would be the players. And that they would be eminently shippable.
From what we’ve seen so far, Gamzee leans toward boys, sick rap-offs, Lil’ Cal, can flashstep-puppeteer, and only interfaced onscreen with a single human kid while on the meteor (a Strider), immediately going somewhat black for him.
And other boring things like adding up the pairings, who’s free and who’s not, stuff I’m too tired to rehash right now.
So, basically, before Act 6 even started, I predicted that alt!Bro would be gay and eventually pair up with Gamzee.
Canon has abided by this so far; nothing has yet dissuaded me from this opinion. In fact, it’s gained followers steadily since the initial “what, that’s crazy, you’re crazy” reaction people had before. Because it makes sense.
And if you subtract all the nearly-already-paired kids and trolls from the equation – eg, Rose/Kanaya, Terezi/Dave, Jade/Karkat, Aradia/Sollux(/Feferi, he get2 both giirl2) - there just isn’t room for many other possibilities.
Just Dirk/Gamzee. Dirk/Gamzee, and the royal (Jane, Roxy, Vriska)»(Jake, John) romantic clusterfuck that still doesn’t quite add up without one of them dying. Or someone new coming in.
See how it all adds up? Gamzee has eventual dibs on Dirk, so it’s easy to see that Dirk’s fragile relationship with Jake is rather likely doomed to fail.
Which makes sense!
Considering how likely it is that Jane and Jake both end up DEAD. :D
all the symbolism with horuss and rufioh and dirk and jake, right
like all the stuff that is the same
and then
rufioh wants to break up with horuss
this is incredibly clear foreshadowing to dirkjake not being endgame
blastyoboots: yeah i gue-
blastyoboots: …..
blastyoboots: oh shit
You can probably connect the dots from there. Not regarding Dirk and Jake, whose relationship was doomed due to a wholly different relationship’s inevitability, but more importantly regarding the girl in the equation.
Of course, for those not following, let’s have a little recap?
Tiara! Subtle.
Meek as can be, DamaraJane shared romantic leanings with RufiohJake. However…
RufiohJake ran off with HorussDirk. A relationship where RufiohJake was taught to fight, taught to fly, to enjoy a measure of confidence in himself… but one that wasn’t a perfect match, which RufiohJake (may or may not have) wanted to end at some point, but would find himself without the courage to do so, as it was difficult to stand against the imperturbable HorussDirk.
GT: Well im more than a little sure he likes me in that way if you catch my drift. GT: And what with how he is… GT: Just so relentless and aggressive about everything you know? GG: Yeaaah. GT: So i just start to wonder deep down if maybe its inevitable. GG: What’s inevitable? GT: Him and me. As more than just best buddies. GG: Uhhhhh… GT: I know if he has his heart set on something he will never let up. GT: So maybe its just going to happen and things will be easier that way and i should just try to come to terms with it?
DamaraJane was obviously distraught about losing her one true love to another, but that alone wasn’t enough to transform her personality. What pushed her off of a cliff…
Was Meenah’s intervention and antagonization! (In Jane’s case, this would likely apply to the Condesce, or possibly also to the Auto Responder.)
I always wondered why Andrew made the particular romantic subplot between those pre-Scratch trolls so unnecessarily complicated. Why was so much detail warranted, I wondered? Now we know: He was carefully phrasing their situation to mirror how Jane’s will unfold!
So, just how disastrous was Damara’s turn? It shouldn’t be understated:
For multiple separate ghosts of an individual to show up in the afterlife, they must be killed within doomed timelines. And in the ministrife, as well as from Damara’s word, we can see that there are thousands of duplicates… so much so, because Damara kept killing her friends and dooming the timeline whenever they got closer to success!
In the link at the top, I showed you how dangerous an inverted Jane Crocker could be; now, you have another enormous canon hint to how dangerous she will be.
The first part of the theory seems to give reasons why Caliborn might steal Jake’s body, appearance, or place, down to jealousy of his relationship with Dirk and the golden pistols of Jake’s referencing Face/Off. Nothing objectionable, there; we’d already figured that Lord English’s immortality has a chance of involving body-swapping, stealing the body of anyone who manages to ‘defeat’ him.
The second part ties into the theory that Calliope’s dreamself took the form of her troll persona, and further extrapolates that Caliborn’s dreamself might resemble Jake English. It might be the case; I mean, Caliborn did say:
IT IS A VIEW OF MY DEAD SISTER. WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT. SHE REALLY MAKES. A MORE BREATHTAKING CORPSE. THAN I EVER IMAGINED. Whatever you say, weirdo.
However, personally, I subscribe to neither of the second part of the theory (yet). To me, it looks like Calliope’s dreamself is wearing slightly larger, slightly widened “clown shoes” that could hide those Cherub-like feet, just like the flying Sarcophagus’s widened footroom in [S] Caliborn: Enter. But it’s definitely something to think about.
i WAS sort of wondering why we didn’t get to see dream!calliope’s face even though we know what calliope looks like now…
But here’s the thing: Andrew never drew the rest of the page in the first place, because we weren’t supposed to see what cherubs looked like, and then simply copied it to the monitor. "Not showing it", merely the discretion shot of her lower body, might have been the natural course of things; after all, the mystery of Calliope’s appearance had already been revealed, and he didn’t need to put in any extra effort to show us more of an earlier view of her.
Is the obfuscation one of convenience, or intentional? You can’t tell. Perhaps the obfuscation was one of convenience, but he realized as he was doing it, “Heh… come to think of it, this will mess with some people. I’m so glad I chose to do it this way”. We have no way of telling yet, and despite such a tempting theory I’m not sure at all of his narrative intent.
So, do I have this straight? Gamzee honks because LE honks, whereas LE honks because when he was Caliborn, he may have seen from Gamzee that honking clowns are immortal, thereby convincing him to take up honking every once in while in a bid for immortality. Ultimately, Gamzee honks because Gamzee honks... it seems like a big honking paradox.
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Quite honking true. (Though, again, Lord English’s HONKing at powerful moments could be due to other reasons.)
Usually these sorts of looping bits of information have to have an external source - a plausible, innate place it at least could have come from without being looping and wholly self-generated.
In this case, we can’t quite be sure yet. But if I had to guess? My strongest sense of it is that it probably came from Gamzee’s Heart.
The innate and unique individual soul is full of powerful inclinations, in Homestuck. Even cut and duplicated across a Scratch, Dave Strider still gravitated towards those Stiller shades, still expressed himself through the almighty Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff. These were predispositions and penchants coded into his very essence, an inevitable result of the core of who he was. Dave Strider’s impact on reality was necessarily those things. That’s the essential power that the Heart aspect has over how existence unfolds.
And in this case, it’s perhaps a fair bet - a guess, but a nearly sure guess - that HONKing is an inseparable component of Gamzee’s essence. He HONKs because he was given an excuse to HONK, but at the same time he was always meant to HONK, and always would. It’s simply who he is.
And from that core origin spins a vast loop that nigh wholly traverses Paradox Space as a whole.
lump space prince (kips): and he’s so far not died a just death or a heroic death
Vexarian: Uh…
Vexarian: That’s not how it works.
Vexarian: You die.
Vexarian: You just come back.
Vexarian: He’s still pretty fucking bullet riddled.
lump space prince (kips): have we seen how a god tiers death works
lump space prince (kips): or no
lump space prince (kips): because honestly i dont know
Steve: Yes we have.
Steve: Bec Noir killed GTier John.
Vexarian: Then he resurrected in the most fabulous possible manner.
Steve: Then John regenerated.
Steve: It’s like Captain Jack Harkness.
Vexarian: And he was good as new.
lump space prince (kips): have we seen a troll god tier die and revive yet
lump space prince (kips): because for all we know
lump space prince (kips): gamzees like
lump space prince (kips): the fuckin hulk
Vexarian: Kips that is fucking dumb as hell.
lump space prince (kips): bullets are like flys
Vexarian: Also, I refuse to believe that if Vriska can die in a single stab.
Vexarian: That Gamzee can suck up a few hundred bullets like the world’s most horrific sponge.
Vexarian: And not die.
*lump space prince (kips) lets just chalk it up as Weird Clown Shit*
blastyoboots: Caliborn doesn’t learn immortality from Gamzee, but he could be jealous of i-
blastyoboots: wait a minute
blastyoboots: they specifically called it the “secret to immortality”, so
blastyoboots: what if you’re somewhat right
lump space prince (kips): (troooooooolll blooooooooood)
blastyoboots: what if he thinks that by honking enough
Vexarian: How the fuck could I possibly be right though?
Vexarian: …
blastyoboots: and acting just clownish enough
Vexarian: Oh my god.
lump space prince (kips): (high bloods live longer liiiiiiiiiiiiiiives)
blastyoboots: yep
blastyoboots: you see what I mean it seems
lump space prince (kips): me or vex
blastyoboots: vex, not you you enormous tool
lump space prince (kips): wow
I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS FUCKER WON’T DIE. He’s a hilarious, rascally clown! You know how it is with clowns. NO?? They are notoriously difficult to kill for reasons that basically don’t make any sense. I’m personally not aware of a single timeline in which this codpiece packing moron dies.
It means crazy clowns just won’t die for some reason. In adventures such as yours, they tend to linger long past their welcome. They linger and linger and linger, and just when you think you’re totally fed up with their bullshit and you can’t take another second of it, they just linger some more. And you never know what they’re up to, and they’re always scheming in the shadows, and it’s quite possible that whatever master plan they’re hatching just doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense at all. But it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter how stupid the clown’s schemes are, or how sick of him everybody is. He just. Won’t. Die.
On your doomed timelines convo I noticed a brief mention of Damara + Beforus doomed timelines. I think I recall in Openbound some mention of Damara sabotaging the A1 session. As the alpha in the A1 session was doomed to fail, it stands to reason that the timelines Damara averted were ones where things went right. Karkat even mentioned that while passing through the bubbles that they meet alternate versions of themselves who were more successful but doomed because it wasn't supposed to happen.
blastyoboots: so the timelines… faded out? instead of having the members specifically killed, causing ghosts?
blastyoboots: like the Scratch does?
Benedict: that is strange, actually
Benedict: do all offshoot timelines die? is there a time limit on ghostifying?
blastyoboots: yeah
blastyoboots: apparently, if this adds up
blastyoboots: because, remember the timeline Davesprite hailed from?
Benedict: yeah, him and rose lasted a pretty long time
Benedict: maybe the timelines don’t decay, it’s just everyone in them is doomed?
Benedict: but if gamzee… can’t die, or whatever the heck is going on
Benedict: then it wouldn’t matter?
blastyoboots: no, what I meant is
blastyoboots: remember that it lasted until *Dave went back*, and then immediately faded out from dream!Rose’s perspective?
blastyoboots: there’s your time limit
blastyoboots: it lasts until it no longer has physical relevance to the alpha
Benedict: hm
Benedict: so… would that mean that every gamzee has physical relevance to the alpha?
Benedict: or, wait, no
blastyoboots: it just means that every Gamzee survived until Aradia went back
Benedict: and then there were no ghosts, just… fading out
blastyoboots: mhmm
Benedict: so doomed ghosts are only from people who die while in a doomed timeline, and if you’re not dead in time, like gamzee, you just
Benedict: cease to exist, or something
Benedict: …that would be a really disturbing fic- gamzee trying to kill himself before the timeline ended, and finding himself unable to
Benedict: come to think of it, this explains why we’ve seen so few ghosts of the beta kids
Benedict: dave created far fewer doomed time clones than aradia did
Benedict: and it’s why we haven’t seen any doomed alpha kids- they don’t have a time player, or at least they won’t until dave shows up, and so their doomed timelines are immediately irrelevant
Benedict: unless they did one of those “Bargain with the Beast” things
Benedict: i’d say we can extrapolate from this that damara created a similarly large number of doomed copies of herself during the beforus session, but we haven’t seen any direct evidence of that
blastyoboots: you didn’t realize that only Dave’s explicit doomed timelines resulted in ghosts :?
Benedict: i’d noticed it, but until the ministrife we hadn’t seen such large quantities of doomed selves in one place
Benedict: i figured the population statistics from caliborn enter were from there being more trolls than kids
Emphasis added. Seems it’s quite possibly true that you have to die before a doomed timeline fades out, or you don’t get a ghost?
TT: It reminds me of when Dave and I were trapped in the doomed timeline, and he left to change the past. TT: The timeline ceased to exist, along with my dream self, who in a way became merged with my dream self of this timeline. I kept some of her memories. TT: Is the situation similar? Similar, but more severe. Since this timeline will undergo such a violent upheaval, such a merger of memory cannot happen. You will be resigned to absolute oblivion. Unless you can discover a way to preserve yourselves.
…Huh. Seems like it could indeed be the case! That’s one mystery solved.
I think you're Gamzee Ectobiology Theory is turning into your Rufio. He's fake, boots. He's gonna show up as Rufioh, but he isn't Rufio. I know it's hard Boots. I know it's hard but I'm trying to understand.
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Once again: WHICH part of the theory are you dismissing as a likely to be averted or subverted?
“Gamzee was there when Calliope and Caliborn were first born, and raised them briefly, alchemizing a bunch of stuff for them and giving them weird rules.” This part was nigh certainly Andrew’s plan even before we got all these further hints of late. It’s Whistles writ large, and the evidence added up (and I posted the theory) before I even knew Whistles was a thing that happened and lined up almost exactly. If you doubt it, please present a plausible alternative explanation for the cherubs’ carefully arranged environment that has decent evidence. Because there are a couple. Just none more sure than Gamzee.
“Gamzee set up the cherub session’s ectobiology targeting locks.” THIS you have more reason to doubt. However, it does happen to be a rather reasonable assumption if #1 is true. Grandpa and Mom had been through the ectobiology lab before John arrived, and “someone” had both locked the monitors onto their targets (yes, “someone” explicitly) and left John a junior ectobiologist’s suit. If someone came through the cherubs’ session and did this, it was almost certainly Gamzee rather than Caliborn or Lord English, leaving the locked monitors for Caliborn to eventually find later for button-pressing.
“The cherubs’ ectobiological components were X, Y, and Z.” NOW we are completely up in the air! The possibilities here are as numerous as they are debatable. Maybe it was just another cherub or two, or Lord English himself? Sure, possibly… though the strange nature of their race and lack of home planet suggests that outside components are at least as likely. Is Abraxas a component? That seems plausible due to the distinct cherubic appearance of its bones. Are humans and trolls involved in the mix, possibly one of each (a boy and a girl together being most appropriate)? That may be thematic and explain some other cherubic features and inclinations, as I theorized, but in the end that’s just a wild guess! A guess somewhat substantiated by the idea that Gamzee would have had his pick of components, a further theory that would give certain components credence over others, but a guess no less! It’s very out there, likely the incomplete story, and should be regarded with skeptical analysis.
As the sith Emperor once said, everything so far has unfolded according to my design. I might receive a serious fall around Step 3 in lieu of success, but you’d be foolish to dismiss the possibility out of hand. And you can be certain that I will amend and add to the likely and expected combination roster as the evidence grows and unfolds, possibly changing my stance on the combination entirely.
Hope is one’s belief in the breadth of the possibilities open to them for pursuit, for delivery into reality, while Rage is how one’s perception of them is narrowed considerably through anger and fear.
Gamzee could have told you a lot of stuff. WHO?? I can’t believe you shot him like that. What’s the matter with you? He was literally the first living being you ever met in your whole life, and you gun him down without a single word? You’ve got some problems. OH. THE CLOWN.
You seem pretty confident, Boots. Not even the slightest bit concerned that Hussie has something else in mind?
The Whistles reference always kind of sealed the first portion of the theory as a nigh certainty: That Gamzee raised and set up the environment for the young cherub(s). Recent events have been rubbing it in our faces.
It’s the second part of the theory - what ectobiological components Gamzee might have set to create them - that’s more up in the air.
Well, that was certainly a thing, wasn’t it? Spoilers under the cut, further than the superfluous image above.
It seems like those recurring memes the cherubs suffer might have a canon source:
[11/19/12 10:10:16 PM] Ash: update
[11/19/12 10:13:00 PM] blastyoboots: well
[11/19/12 10:13:04 PM] blastyoboots: that’s a thing isn’t it
[11/19/12 10:13:13 PM] Lucyha: …huh
[11/19/12 10:13:58 PM] Mel: You can’t explain that.
[11/19/12 10:14:22 PM] Mel: Radio tower, causing Caliborn to think thoughts that Calliope would think because of their unstable brain merging sequence.
[11/19/12 10:14:40 PM] Mel: Text on the screen, text in the narrative, never a miscommunication.
[11/19/12 10:14:44 PM] Mel: You just can’t explain that.
[11/19/12 10:15:11 PM] Romulus: once again this comic reaffirms its dedication to be the most meta thing in existence
[11/19/12 10:15:23 PM] blastyoboots: uu: AND THE FACT THAT I MIGHT NOT CLuE YOu INTO YOuR FATE ALL THE TIME.
uu: DuE TO MY AGGRAVATED APATHY OVER THE MATTER.
uu: IS AN IMMuTABLE FACT. I AM STATING FOR THE RECORD.
uu: IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GIVING A SHIT IS WHAT IS TAKING PLACE HERE.
TT: I feel like you’ve said something like that before.
TT: Different statements, but in that exact syntax.
uu: OH. YOu KNOW WHAT ELSE I HATE?
uu: WHEN THAT FuCKING HAPPENS.
TT: Wait. You mean it wasn’t intentional?
TT: I thought it was kind of like… this thing you were doing.
uu: SHuT uP.
[11/19/12 10:16:05 PM] blastyoboots: uu: I SHOuLD HAVE KEPT IT BRIEF. AND SuRLY. LIKE I WAS GOING TO.
uu: LIKE JuST SAID.
uu: “HELLO DIRK."
uu: "I WANT TO PLAY A GAME."
uu: AND THEN LIKE.
uu: "BRO."
uu: "ROOF. NOW."
uu: "BRING JuJu."
uu: AND THAT’S IT.
uu: YEAH. THAT WOuLD HAVE BEEN GOOD.
uu: COLD FuCKING BLOODED. TO THE POINT. DAMMIT.
TT: That actually sounds familiar too.
TT: Are you sure you haven’t said something like that before?
uu: HAVE I?
uu: FuCK. I DON’T KNOW. WHATEVER.
[11/19/12 10:16:49 PM] Mel: It turns out, Caliborn was the future-past author of Homestuck all along
[11/19/12 10:16:53 PM] Mel: :V
(Mel’s ramblings are more IDE-ish, don’t take them as me committing to them.)
Perhaps this control station manages to spread memes farther than their little planet, and those two are just at the epicenter?
…Oh, shit. What if this is where the arc numbers come from, like 413??
Also:
Note the red/green dichotomy: How most of them are red, but a few green ones persist, representing Caliborn’s domination. Also… the [A6I4] ==> is prefaced by red, the link that titles and indicates the progression of Time, and the Space underneath is filled by descriptive text!
EDIT:
[11/19/12 10:27:33 PM] colwag: And now I’m like
[11/19/12 10:27:39 PM] colwag: I don’t know if I can trust the narrator at all
[11/19/12 10:27:47 PM] colwag: Like, at points in the past too
[11/19/12 10:30:02 PM] blastyoboots: I wouldn’t go that far, even though Andrew’s obviously trying to mess with us that way
[11/19/12 10:30:46 PM] blastyoboots: ahahaha!!
[11/19/12 10:30:48 PM] blastyoboots: I just realized
[11/19/12 10:30:57 PM] blastyoboots: in *ANY OTHER COMIC*
[11/19/12 10:31:10 PM] blastyoboots: this kind of revelation would cause us to groan and roll our eyes extremely hard
[11/19/12 10:31:17 PM] blastyoboots: but in *THIS* one
[11/19/12 10:31:27 PM] blastyoboots: even if we groan and eyeroll, it also gives us vague chills!
[11/19/12 10:31:39 PM] blastyoboots: it actually *scares* us
For those not in the know, Homestuck has a complex layer of titles and aspects that designate how a person impacts and changes reality. One game I recently played that was excellent was Bastion, a game with four highly developed characters. I will assign each character a role an explain what makes them fit it. Spoilers are ahead, so beware.
Credit to http://bladekindeyewear.tumblr.com/ for helping with the Roles.
This is a theory I’ve had for some damn time: Gamzee obtained, raised, and locked in the ectobiological coordinates for Calliope/Caliborn, an ecto-child of Jade Harley, Karkat Vantas, and (optionally) also Lil’ Cal.
Yes, this is a serious theory. And it explains plenty:
EDIT: Added MORE POINTS in smalltext! :D
His use of Aradia’s Timeboxes shows us where Gamzee is hiding on the meteor: Its future! Since it eventually ends up where Calliope and Caliborn are, Gamzee could have wound forward past its entry and exit of the alpha session, free to mess around in peace.
Wherever and whenever Gamzee is hiding, he has to burn three years to match the ages of everyone else. Why not spend those three years raising a cute little skull monster baby who just happened to come down on a meteor? Once the child could fend for itself, Gamzee could have simply rewound back to when the meteor entered the alpha session, joining the others at the same age.
Someone raised Calliope/Caliborn, alchemizing(?) and setting up a bunch of equipment that they clearly do not understand, calling them ‘jujus’. (Separately from the official, timeloopy ‘jujus’.) When you take the timeboxes into account, the voided-out book, and the boxfuls of special stardust the cherubs were left to eat, Gamzee is the clear likelihood for that someone.
Many of Lord English’s features have been explained in Caliborn, but one of the looming mysteries is why he has a tendency to HONK. If Gamzee had raised him, this would be very clear!
A human/troll hybrid has the potential to be very alien, especially if one adds a corrupting element (the optional Cal) to the mix. Of the human/troll hybrids possible, Karkat && Jade makes the most sense given their personalities, symbols, elements of clothing, quirks, and associated colors. They are VERY similar to Karkat and Jade. In fact, it makes so much sense that when UU gave us her first conversation, I had initially surmised that she was a future Jade/Karkat hybrid demi-troll! (While it was eventually ruled out by her seemingly implying she was a troll, before the Cherub reveal, I still found it QUITE suspicious that the Karkat similarities were brought out in full force with her brother.)
ROMSPEC DISCLAIMER: A Karkat && Jade ectochild is NO INDICATION that Karkat/Jade will be a final pairing. In fact, it might mean the opposite, serving as the ‘resolution’ / ‘cashing-in’ of all the romantic foreshadowing between the two, and other odd coincidences like that BARK/KRAB/BRAKA code.
Why would Karkat and Jade be chosen? Why, because of Gamzee, of course! Do recall that someone locked in the ectobiological coordinates for John in his session, presumably one of the guardians. If Gamzee serves as that someone for Calliope and Caliborn by getting into their session… why, perhaps while lurking around in the background and watching everyone pre-horrorstuck, Gamzee had observed Karkat warming up to Jade? And perhaps, in his infinite wisdom whimsy, he decided it would be great if they had children? Hm? :)
Caliborn is clearly a young Lord English. Calliope is rather set to make an incredible sacrifice with her death, possibly facilitating the creation of all of Paradox Space. As the individual responsible for the existence and nature of these two(ish) individuals, Gamzee would cement his position as the most important character in Homestuck!
EDIT:ADDITIONAL POINTS:
Boltstuck added some wonderful evidence: ”We know that Andrew likes to borrow from his past works; Gamzee has already shown parallels to “Whistles: The Starlight Calliope” and there’s a good chance of Caliborn/Calliope’s origins being another call-back. — The comic centers around the titular Whistles, an innocent and well-meaning clown who’s unfailingly loyal to his evil Master and goes into brutal, violent rages when said Master is hurt or threatened. His Master is “unkillable” in that every time he is slain, a new version of him is spawned. Much like with Lord English’s multiple incarnations. Toward the end of the story, Whistles’s two fellow clowns find a way to prevent the respawning - but not before an infant version of the Master survives the attack and convinces Whistles to adopt and care for it.”
According to UU: “UU: my species has never even had a home planet.” Never?! Life and sentience require rich diversity and millions of years to evolve. Cherubs couldn’t have evolved in the void, with nothing… therefore, it’s most likely that they had a shortcut. Andrew is implying that Cherubs were ectobiologized as a race, their initial seed population growing to spread throughout the universe. And thus, they almost certainly had an external DNA source from at least one other sentient race.
Calliope and Caliborn have troll-like blood color variety, indicating trolls as a source race. However, they have no horns - only human-like skulls - and their white-irised eyes are quite human as well. Therefore, it isn’t hard to surmise that Gamzee combined a human and a troll; almost certainly a boy and a girl, to mirror the combining of them into an androgynous body (like he’s been doing with the likes of Tavrisprite), mirror normal m/f reproduction, and mirror the :o) and Do: mirthful messiahs that Gamzee once said were him all along.
The boy component is Karkat, hands down. Caliborn is unbelievably similar to him, his perfect kismesis even: Like Karkat, but worse in every way, incredibly powerful, and evil. And Karkat’s listed position is even in the exact spot between his friends that Lime would have been on the spectrum; his blood and Lime-colored blood might have been no more than a gene-swap away in the first place!
Jade is a bit tricker a choice, with circumstantial evidence like the colors, or Calliope’s symbol’s main component being a tower that looks like Jade’s house surrounded by snakes (echidna), et cetera. But it becomes incredibly clear by process of elimination: Jade is the only plausible human girl Gamzee would have known and chosen, and no other human girl fits the symbolism well enough!
And finally, there’s the narrative text here that was addressed at Jade as she stared through the fourth wall at LE’s jacket: ”But you don’t know it’s a coat. That would only invite more questions. You don’t know what it shields. Nor do you know whose shoulders it was meant to cover. If you knew that - if you even knew his name - you would understand terror no human ever has.” But that’s strange, since “Caliborn” doesn’t do the trick! So, if this name alone is supposed to inspire terror in Jade specifically… Think about it for a moment. Were Gamzee to create a Harley-Vantas ectochild, what do you suppose he’d make its last and/or middle names to fit? :D Even if Jade doesn’t know LE’s true nature, from a name like that alone (with parts of Karkat and Jade’s names blatantly in it), I think Andrew could credibly claim that no human has ever understood the terror of having unexpectedly sired a child with a grumpy alien!
Am I right, or am I right? :D
(Gamzee and Caliborn in the image arted up by my awesome friend doridachi! Click here for a larger version of the gif.) EDIT: I fixed the eyes I forgot to animate on the gif; the larger-version link will still link to the right one on all of them!
In other words, the first part of this theory is almost assuredly canon: Gamzee raised Caliborn and Calliope, likely too early for them to remember him.
What remains to be seen is their ectobiological components, which Gamzee was almost assuredly in a position to set. If you read this theory and its linked follow-up addendums, the running supposition is that those components were most likely Jade Harley &&Karkat Vantas &&Abraxas, and optionally && Lil’ Cal or some other unknown component.
In case you still didn’t buy at least the first part of the theory, the recent update gives us this:
Calliope happens to have owned Gamzee’s husktop.
(And I’ve seen this development has already caused this theory to make a few more rounds!)
Once again, the first part of this theory is assuredly canon, ie. Gamzee raising Calliope/Caliborn, a pair representing one who’s been invited to have her Rage destroyed and another who’s been invited to cause destruction through his Rage. What remains to be seen is the second part: whether Gamzee set their ectobiological components (which is likely), and if so, to what.
I mean, I get that Thief and Page are pretty clearly inverted; it explains a lot of Tavros and Vriska’s interactions and whatnot. But… Knight doesn’t seem to oppose Rogue all too much, and exploit and steal just seems like a weird connection to me.
You need to look at the “steal” class as more “redistribution”.
When the Knight class exploits their aspect, they’re practicing expertise at their aspect’s Use. They’re not creating, destroying, or moving it around necessarily; you simply give them access to a certain amount of their aspect, like Time, and they’ll act instinctively to maximise the effectiveness and damage they can squeeze out of its flow. Such as Dave whipping together ridiculous amounts of short-range stable time loops to fight from all angles at once, without needing a single doomed clone.
A class like the Rogue, however, Redistributes their aspect around the environment and between others. They move it, deliver it, clump it together or free an area of its influence, pile it onto themselves (Thieves especially do so) or onto their allies and enemies. However, just because you possess or can move something doesn’t mean you can understand, change, build, or even use it efficiently! Compare someone shuttling piles and piles of boxes full of power drills back and forth (Rogue), to someone who can actually open up a box and use the drill to build a table (Knight).
Furthermore, with the dichotomy between the Knight and Rogue specifically, it’s important to keep a specific bit of symbolism in mind: A God-Tier Rogue has a mask.
This helps represent the essence of a Rogue’s role: Their specific identity doesn’t matter. They don’t need to exalt themselves. Their aspect is simply stolen, gifted, and shifted around via their shadowy efforts, and the most you metaphorically notice of them (if you’re lucky) is a coy salute as they dive back into the forest, their Robin-Hood-esque deed already done.
A Knight, however, often grabs people’s attention. Bold, flashy, ostentatious, at the front lines. Karkat sought to become a leader, Dave sought to become a star. Their work is loud, and nobody is left wondering whether or not the Knight’s results are his or hers to own.
It’s similar to the roles of a Warrior/Knight and a Rogue in a tabletop game, really. The Knight hones their skills, charges to the front of battle, armor gleaming, and gains bragging rights. The Rogue sneaks around traps and unwary enemies, doesn’t attract attention, purloins their loot, and leaves a knife in a foe’s back before they even know the Rogue is there, if at all.
Unlike what we've seen/read from Roxy in past pages, she made nearly no typos in the recent update, sans capitalization and not using numbers as contractions. Is that just a matter of her being low on alcohol at the moment, or is there any potential aspect reversal going on? Wouldn't attempting to bring Calliope out be considered actively attempting to exploit revelation and clarity? -Archin
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I wouldn’t say that! More like… Roxy is easily invited to indulging in submission via alcohol. Overcoming that, and gaining a firm grasp on her abilities of Void redistribution instead of marginalizing herself by simply indulging in Void, seems part of her normal growth as a Hero of her role. It was as Calliope suspected, perhaps: her alcohol imbibing was suppressing her true potential. …I /suppose/ you could interpret that as her embracing a little Light and personal free will, but don’t look at it as ghosting inversion entirely!
But wait, I don't understand. So basically, if a Prince of Heart acts like a Sylph when he inverts his title, will it be a Sylph of Heart or a Sylph of Mind ?
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He’d be like a Sylph of Mind, theoretically. The logic works well for Maids and Sylphs inverting themselves, so it seems there’s little reason why it wouldn’t work the other way around mechanically.
But in practice? No, I’m not exactly sure how it’d go. I suppose…..
Well, with the example of a Prince of Heart, I suppose it’d be as if they became disillusioned with Heart entirely… not hatred of Heart, though, which would result in them destroying it ever more strongly and bitterly. Rather… think of it this way. Dirk Strider is driven by Heart. As much as he effaces it with the façade and logic of one dedicated to the practice of Mind, at his core he fuels his actions with a penetrating uniqueness and determination. It’s his very soul with which he wishes to embody the elaborate ironic fantasy of a Bro, unshakable inclination allowing him to pursue that outward interaction with the world with perfect and self-aware accuracy, minding his Mindful appearance even when not another being is around to witness it. His Heart powers his efficiency at destroying Heart. Eridan was similar, his few Hopes dominating his behavior and leading him to come across to everyone as utterly hopeless.
For someone like that to turn from their aspect, they would need to suddenly abandon any semblance of attachment to it. Said inverting Prince would neither embrace it nor resent it, wield it nor wreck it… they simply would cease to give a shit about it. Dirk would have to abandon any concern for his desires or indignation for those of others, and simply operate on logic alone, afraid to impress anything he would will himself for fear of doing more of whatever harm he did in his original role.
Hm… almost like a helpful machine? (But that’s only a possibility.)